Spiritual teachers are delusional

[integral]

The standard framing:

Meditation is a practice to achieve special states

Enlightenment/awakening is the goal, something beyond ordinary

The stages are accomplishments

Full body awareness is an advanced skill

Real framing:

Full body awareness is baseline health

The "stages" are rehabilitation from damage

There's nothing special about it, it's just being human properly

Spiritual practice is physical therapy for a civilization-wide injury

"Awakening" is just waking up from a pathological state, not transcending normality

 

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Your normal state is supposed to be full body awareness. This is the natural state of being.

If you're not doing this, you're in a contracted state of sickness, where the default mode network and ego are the master and there's no meta-observer.

Vast majority of people can't do basic body scanning, this is extreme sickness, causing poor blood flow to your limbs, the body can't generate heat properly, your body can't digest properly, your mind can't observe itself, causing mental sickness.

You were supposed to be in full body awareness all the time! This is the basic form of being.

And spiritual teachers don't know this, they had to practice to develop full body awareness, so they confuse it for enlightenment and higher stages of being when it's just basic being.

This is the basic foundation of how to operate a body not enlightenment.

 

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All insights come from being in the correct state of being,

State comes first. Everything else follows.

• Correct state → natural wisdom, natural non-attachment, natural presence
• Damaged state → desperate attachment, mental chaos, need for teachings

When you're in the right state, the insights are self-evident. You don't need someone to teach you impermanence, you feel it. You don't need to practice non-attachment, grasping doesn't arise. You don't need someone to teach you love, it self evident.

ITS ALL SELF EVIDENT.

Stop focussing on being taught and just practice to get yourself in a healthy state of being.

 

 

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Most people cant feel there toes! Body scanning is REHABILITATION.

You are in a sick suffocating state not aware of your entire body at all times.

You should be aware of everything simultaneously all the time, all the sound in your environment, all the sound in your head, all the thoughts in your head, all the feelings of your body, the observer, observing the observer. While you're thinking, you should hear the birds behind you all happening simultaneously. It is all one field.

 

Edited Sunday at 05:54 PM by integral

[integral]

I can concentrate so hard on one point in my body that it hurts.

I can concentrate so hard on my hand that I have a hand orgasm.

I can feel the poop moving through my intestinal track at all times.

I can feel brain regions activating depending on the task I'm doing.

If you focus on your hand, you could notice that there is a inner relaxation and if you keep amplifying an amplifying it, you eventually feel ecstasy.

Edited Sunday at 06:05 PM by integral

[integration journey]

Interesting.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, integral said:

The standard framing:

Meditation is a practice to achieve special states

Enlightenment/awakening is the goal, something beyond ordinary

The stages are accomplishments

Full body awareness is an advanced skill

Which spiritual teachers say this?

[Eskilon]

@integral How is your experience of sleep?

Theres a saying that yogis dont really sleep -- they are aware, an observer still remains.

Is that the case with you?

[James123]

1 hour ago, integral said:

The standard framing:

Meditation is a practice to achieve special states

Enlightenment/awakening is the goal, something beyond ordinary

The stages are accomplishments

Full body awareness is an advanced skill

Real framing:

Full body awareness is baseline health

The "stages" are rehabilitation from damage

There's nothing special about it, it's just being human properly

Spiritual practice is physical therapy for a civilization-wide injury

"Awakening" is just waking up from a pathological state, not transcending normality

 

---

 

Your normal state is supposed to be full body awareness. This is the natural state of being.

If you're not doing this, you're in a contracted state of sickness, where the default mode network and ego are the master and there's no meta-observer.

Vast majority of people can't do basic body scanning, this is extreme sickness, causing poor blood flow to your limbs, the body can't generate heat properly, your body can't digest properly, your mind can't observe itself, causing mental sickness.

You were supposed to be in full body awareness all the time! This is the basic form of being.

And spiritual teachers don't know this, they had to practice to develop full body awareness, so they confuse it for enlightenment and higher stages of being when it's just basic being.

This is the basic foundation of how to operate a body not enlightenment.

 

---

 

All insights come from being in the correct state of being,

State comes first. Everything else follows.

• Correct state → natural wisdom, natural non-attachment, natural presence
• Damaged state → desperate attachment, mental chaos, need for teachings

When you're in the right state, the insights are self-evident. You don't need someone to teach you impermanence, you feel it. You don't need to practice non-attachment, grasping doesn't arise. You don't need someone to teach you love, it self evident.

ITS ALL SELF EVIDENT.

Stop focussing on being taught and just practice to get yourself in a healthy state of being.

 

 

---

 

Most people cant feel there toes! Body scanning is REHABILITATION.

You are in a sick suffocating state not aware of your entire body at all times.

You should be aware of everything simultaneously all the time, all the sound in your environment, all the sound in your head, all the thoughts in your head, all the feelings of your body, the observer, observing the observer. While you're thinking, you should hear the birds behind you all happening simultaneously. It is all one field.

 

This is BS. Body is alone. Spirituality is not an accomplishment, it is death of the successor, end of the achiever.

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, integral said:

I can concentrate so hard on one point in my body that it hurts.

I can concentrate so hard on my hand that I have a hand orgasm.

I can feel the poop moving through my intestinal track at all times.

I can feel brain regions activating depending on the task I'm doing.

If you focus on your hand, you could notice that there is an inner relaxation and if you keep amplifying an amplifying it, you eventually feel ecstasy.

What is hand orgasm?

I have experienced some brain awareness too

Have you practiced this, if so, wouldn’t you agree it’s “advanced skill”?

[cistanche_enjoyer]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

Theres a saying that yogis dont really sleep -- they are aware, an observer still remains.

I think what you mean here is a state of deep peace and loving awareness.

Yes, an observer remains, but it is melted into pure Love; the observer *becomes* the literal fabric of existence, which is pure, infinte Love. And in this state, the “observer” is totally different than what you think could “remain”.

[Davino]

Wait for the banger:

Everyone is delusional

[UnbornTao]

3 minutes ago, Davino said:

Wait for the banger:

Everyone is delusional

"NOT ME!"

Edited Sunday at 08:50 PM by UnbornTao

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

@integral How is your experience of sleep?

Theres a saying that yogis dont really sleep -- they are aware, an observer still remains.

Is that the case with you?

Awareness through sleep is very "advanced" as they say. But then to frame it the other way, like with enlightenment, it actually happens all the time for all people, you just don't notice it because you're too identified (with perception and forms).

Edited Sunday at 08:56 PM by Carl-Richard

[Eskilon]

41 minutes ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

I think what you mean here is a state of deep peace and loving awareness.

Yes, an observer remains, but it is melted into pure Love; the observer *becomes* the literal fabric of existence, which is pure, infinte Love. And in this state, the “observer” is totally different than what you think could “remain”.

Interesting. Is this your direct experience everyday?

[Eskilon]

36 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Awareness through sleep is very "advanced" as they say. But then to frame it the other way, like with enlightenment, it actually happens all the time for all people, you just don't notice it because you're too identified (with perception and forms).

It is indeed very advanced, you basically conquered Death at that point, because you are always aware of the observer. Even in deep sleep, which is the absence of forms.

I think another very advanced point is maintaining awareness even in insane pain and especially if it followed by tragic self-desctuction of a form. Like a human entering a meat grinder, if you can maintain awareness even through that you are really free from everything imaginable lol.

Edited Sunday at 09:31 PM by Eskilon

[cistanche_enjoyer]

11 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Is this your direct experience everyday?

I wish  

Mostly with the help of some “chemicals”    or more rarely in deep states of meditation.

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

I think another very advanced point is maintaining awareness even in insane pain and especially if it followed by tragic self-desctuction of a form. Like a human entering a meat grinder, if you can maintain awareness even through that you are really free from everything imaginable lol.

Edited 3 hours ago by Eskilon

I have mentioned before a interview of some guy who apparently managed to overcome (as in not experience it as suffering anymore if I remember correctly) the pain of trigeminal neuralgia through extreme mindfulness practice while he had it. Trigeminal neuralgia is considered one of the most painful conditions, causing pain some describe as 10/10. I’ve seen video of woman hysterically crying and shaking in pain. 
 

It’s something that I think about, if you transcend pain you have like unlocked a new level of freedom in life that’s like super human 

Edited Monday at 01:20 AM by Sugarcoat

[integral]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Which spiritual teachers say this?

As a reference there is a core book "The Mind Illuminated: A Complete Meditation Guide Integrating Buddhist Wisdom and Brain Science for Greater Mindfulness".

There are 10 stages in this book and the 6-7 stage is "unlock full body awareness". The entire book is about unlocking the body awareness and unifying the mind systems.

Level 1: be aware of your feet.

Level 2: be aware of your feet and your knee at the same time.

Level 3: be aware of your feet and your knee and your hands and your breath at the same time.

... so on. 

But what im pointing to is full body awareness is not advanced, its a prerequisite for health and any quality of life and longevity. It is sickness/trama/stressors/survival pressure that we are disconnected from the body. Its the natural state to be is a full body awareness. Its like imagine getting under the cover as a kid and feeling the confort of the pillow and mattress. This is basic self awareness to be aware of the body. but most people if you ask them to feel there toes they cant.

6 hours ago, Eskilon said:

@integral How is your experience of sleep?

Theres a saying that yogis dont really sleep -- they are aware, an observer still remains.

Is that the case with you?

Not at all, that i would categorize as a advanced state.

Im speeking of things much simpler, just to be aware of the entire body and from there it is natural to include everything in ones experience.

In the morning right when waking im blocked off and i concentrate to open the gate again and re-enter state of full awareness.

6 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

What is hand orgasm?

I have experienced some brain awareness too

Have you practiced this, if so, wouldn’t you agree it’s “advanced skill”?

The Buddhist word is piti/sukha (rapture/pleasure), waves throughout the body. its a common jhana technique, but i would categorize this as advanced and not average. Base line basic health is full body awareness and relaxation. Teachings often focus on body scanning, to practice unlocking the body. 

How can a person relax if there not aware of the body? The basic prerequisite for relaxation is that you could feel the relaxation in your body. And if someone can't feel their body relaxing, this is so unhealthy and leads to every chronic illness and ego games.

 

Edited Monday at 01:34 AM by integral

[Opulence]

What would your opinion be about buddhist monks that can withstand any temperature?

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, integral said:

As a reference there is a core book "The Mind Illuminated: A Complete Meditation Guide Integrating Buddhist Wisdom and Brain Science for Greater Mindfulness".

There are 10 stages in this book and the 6-7 stage is "unlock full body awareness". The entire book is about unlocking the body awareness and unifying the mind systems.

Level 1: be aware of your feet.

Level 2: be aware of your feet and your knee at the same time.

Level 3: be aware of your feet and your knee and your hands and your breath at the same time.

... so on. 

But what im pointing to is full body awareness is not advanced, its a prerequisite for health and any quality of life and longevity. It is sickness/trama/stressors/survival pressure that we are disconnected from the body. Its the natural state to be is a full body awareness. Its like imagine getting under the cover as a kid and feeling the confort of the pillow and mattress. This is basic self awareness to be aware of the body. but most people if you ask them to feel there toes they cant.

So this is purely a Western/modern issue?

[integral]

7 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

So this is purely a Western/modern issue?

I wouldn't know, it seems most people can't feel any part of their body unless they're being touched and theres motion involved.

It should be pretty easy to direct awareness to any part of the body and feel the skin on it.

Like are people incapable of feeling there own skin? 

The skin of the entire body and every nerve in the body is constantly sending signals to the brain. It just depends in whether you're paying attention to it or not.

[integral]

26 minutes ago, Opulence said:

What would your opinion be about buddhist monks that can withstand any temperature?