Spiritual teachers are delusional

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, integral said:

There's two parts to my writing style, the first is intentional controversy to spice it up, which just happens automatically and I probably go too forward with it, the second is I'm not naturally in a humour or play state, sort of robotic autism is the direction. Comes extremely direct and blunt. lol

The topic is more like "PEOPLE CANT FEEL THERE BODIES?" wtf are people doing???

Without the body Everything is dysfunctional. And I contribute a lot of of my insights from body awareness as grounding. I don't deny its extremely useful for insights and awakening. From my experience with my own body and analysis and questioning others, not aware of breath and body in a full way is a neurotic state.

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Nice I'm interested to know for people who struggle with full body awareness and who are practising, what's their main issue and what kind of practice are they doing?

Like can you feel your breath, your hands and your feet at the same time or do you lose one part of your body if you try to focus on another and it's hard to juggle both at the same time?

 

I kind of can feel full body during vipassana retreats. When my nervous system is calm because of special circumstances. 

But now - let's say everyday life - I can move attention to certain body parts, but it's hard to try to feel everything. There are blockages in my body - energetic, but also tense muscles, tense fascia - that prevent me from doing so. To feel whole body, I need to relax. When I relax consciously, some muscles start to clench and twitch. Like spiral that needs to unwind because there was too much tension for too long. 

What works is moving attention through the body to activate it part by part. Legs are easy, hands are easy. Back is hard. If no part is not activated, I can only move "part by part". If at least one part is activated, it's those that are activated I feel plus the one I am right now with my attention. 

I can feel two points in my body where the blockages are most present: The jaw and stomach. Very intense feeling there. Jaw easy to feel, stomach is a "deeper" sensation. Imagine you want to open a door (=feel whole body) , but there is chain attached (= blockage points). You gently push the door open, but the chain is holding back the opening. Trough practice, the chain gets longer (I feel more) and slowly dissolves. But right now, the chains still prevent full access to feeling my complete body at once. 

So my practice is: Putting attention to it. Mobilizing with sports, especially the hips. Strengthening the body with small workouts (small muscle group on back e.g.) And mentally, telling myself that it can be done. That I want to do it, and that I can do it. And that all it takes is practice. Going through life as light as possible, so that I don't generate more tensions but reduce them. Are  allow them to reduce them by itself, simply not being in the way of that process

Sometimes I sit - as upright as possible on meditation pillow. Otherwise I lie on my bed to 100% relax all muscles and to be as comfortable as possible.

 

Edited Monday at 08:22 PM by theleelajoker

[Michal__]

Ahh the good old basic health kundalini explosion - body scanning can lead to tripping 24/7. It's not a basic health technique. 

I know your point was something simpler. It's just that basically all you need to experience insane states of consciousness is "basic" body awareness.

Edited Monday at 08:45 PM by Michal__

[theleelajoker]

20 minutes ago, Michal__ said:

Ahh the good old basic health kundalini explosion - body scanning can lead to tripping 24/7. It's not a basic health technique. 

I know your point was something simpler. It's just that basically all you need to experience insane states of consciousness is "basic" body awareness.

I can verify this from direct experience. Happened only once, but it happened. Not 24/7, but extended body awareness in retreat made me trip for a while very similar to LSD just no visuals.

Crazy, at all took was really being aware of my body. 

Whoever is curious to give it a serious try - my lesson was to be very gentle with this process. Much more gentle than I was with myself back then...

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

Whoever is curious to give it a serious try - my lesson was to be very gentle with this process. Much more gentle than I was with myself back then...

My first awakening (which happened very quickly during my 3rd meditation) probably only happened that quickly because it was preceded by a week of intense active mindfulness practice (up in the Norwegian mountains 😎, true mystic), which included not as much body scanning as overall awareness of movement (although the distinction kind of evaporates at some point). But the meditation where the awakening happened included body scanning (and then vipassana, which also has a body awareness aspect).

Edited yesterday at 12:38 AM by Carl-Richard

[integral]

35 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

My first awakening (which happened very quickly during my 3rd meditation) probably only happened that quickly because it was preceded by a week of intense active mindfulness practice (up in the Norwegian mountains 😎, true mystic), which included not as much body scanning as overall awareness of movement (although the distinction kind of evaporates at some point). But the meditation where the awakening happened included body scanning (and then vipassana, which also has a body awareness aspect).

I Remember you spoke about an experience you had once where you were in a classroom and time would stop and then you would experience extreme stress response. I don't know if Im miss recalling this. lol

Did this have anything to do with body awareness? what was the process that built up to this

Edited yesterday at 01:09 AM by integral

[integral]

5 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

 

I kind of can feel full body during vipassana retreats. When my nervous system is calm because of special circumstances. 

But now - let's say everyday life - I can move attention to certain body parts, but it's hard to try to feel everything. There are blockages in my body - energetic, but also tense muscles, tense fascia - that prevent me from doing so. To feel whole body, I need to relax. When I relax consciously, some muscles start to clench and twitch. Like spiral that needs to unwind because there was too much tension for too long. 

What works is moving attention through the body to activate it part by part. Legs are easy, hands are easy. Back is hard. If no part is not activated, I can only move "part by part". If at least one part is activated, it's those that are activated I feel plus the one I am right now with my attention. 

I can feel two points in my body where the blockages are most present: The jaw and stomach. Very intense feeling there. Jaw easy to feel, stomach is a "deeper" sensation. Imagine you want to open a door (=feel whole body) , but there is chain attached (= blockage points). You gently push the door open, but the chain is holding back the opening. Trough practice, the chain gets longer (I feel more) and slowly dissolves. But right now, the chains still prevent full access to feeling my complete body at once. 

So my practice is: Putting attention to it. Mobilizing with sports, especially the hips. Strengthening the body with small workouts (small muscle group on back e.g.) And mentally, telling myself that it can be done. That I want to do it, and that I can do it. And that all it takes is practice. Going through life as light as possible, so that I don't generate more tensions but reduce them. Are  allow them to reduce them by itself, simply not being in the way of that process

Sometimes I sit - as upright as possible on meditation pillow. Otherwise I lie on my bed to 100% relax all muscles and to be as comfortable as possible.

 

My belief is that body tension is mostly caused by poor air quality. I'm not gonna get into it, but basically it keeps the body in a contracted state.

I personally have this problem too, and I have to consciously relax the tension, but this doesn't happen if I'm in the mountains or places with great air quality like outdoors away from any kind of man-made chemical exposure that could be in the air (cleaning products, peoples laundry detergent on their clothes, mold, candles, perfume, Cologne, anything like that)

Air qualities the difference between strong blood flow in your hands and feet and weak blood flow and a contracted state. Heat and Blood flow in the hands and feet should be an effortless thing that the body does on its own. But our toxic environment keeps people contracted.

Sitting is not bad for you. all of the studies that are focussed on sitting, and the problem is its testing people who are sitting in a toxic environment, so they're not isolating air quality from the test. So yes, sitting in a box where you're essentially suffocating causes restricted blood flow and high cortisol levels and tension in all of your limbs is bad for you. But they're blind to the important variable.

Edited yesterday at 01:39 AM by integral

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, integral said:

I Remember you spoke about an experience you had once where you were in a classroom and time would stop and then you would experience extreme stress response. I don't know if Im miss recalling this. lol

Did this have anything to do with body awareness? what was the process that built up to this

The process was I noticed a tension when focusing on the speaker/powerpoint in the lecture. Like I was trying to force my attention to project in this piecemeal and inelegant way. So when I noticed this tension, I let it dissolve. Even this subtle act of perception did have a physical manifestation, as a slight tightness in the visual apparatus. And when this dissolved, things notably became calmer, and then time stopped and the rest of the story unfolded.

Some mentalist might say "you simply let go of your attachment to focus on the lecture", but even attachment has physical correlates, albeit subtle ones (what we call "behavioral" patterns), where tension in the body is one example.

Edited yesterday at 02:56 AM by Carl-Richard

[theleelajoker]

4 hours ago, integral said:

My belief is that body tension is mostly caused by poor air quality. I'm not gonna get into it, but basically it keeps the body in a contracted state.

 

I believe my body tension is mainly self-generated. What and how much I think. My attitude towards life. The actions that result from that, or non-action. 

I believe air quality and environment (among other factors) as you describe it contributes as well. My sleep changes day one when I leave the big city I am in and spent time in nature / small villages. 

Edited yesterday at 05:39 AM by theleelajoker

[cetus]

@theleelajoker Body tension is something everybody needs to become more aware of. But enough is not spoken about it. Be great if Leo could do a video on the subject.

[theleelajoker]

19 minutes ago, cetus said:

@theleelajoker Body tension is something everybody needs to become more aware of. But enough is not spoken about it. Be great if Leo could do a video on the subject.

Start of Video:

"Feel your body".

"That's it."

"Have fun."

End of video. 

[cetus]

1 hour ago, theleelajoker said:

Start of Video:

"Feel your body".

"That's it."

"Have fun."

End of video. 

Not that kind of video. But if it helps with the body tension, I won't judge.

All joking aside, when was the last time Leo came out with a video on any subject that was under two hours.

Edited yesterday at 07:37 AM by cetus

[Miguel1]

19 hours ago, integral said:

Are gymnasts and athletes conscious of there entire body at the same time? 

As a dancer of 20 years and incredible control of their body, I’m reading this thread like:

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[integral]

3 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

As a dancer of 20 years and incredible control of their body, I’m reading this thread like:

👀

Dude i know, but do you feel your feet? lmao 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by integral

[integral]

12 hours ago, cetus said:

@theleelajoker Be great if Leo could do a video on the subject.

 

Edited 22 hours ago by integral

[Miguel1]

29 minutes ago, integral said:

Dude i know, but do you feel your feet? lmao 

 

Yes, of course. My feet are one of the core to my dancing. It’s called footwork in the scene.

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