God is actually evil

[Meeksauce]

God makes you suffer and gaslights you on a regular basis - think about it - if God were truly good in a human sense of the word, we would have perfect lives and never have to endure any suffering. We would be in heaven 24/7. I know Leo makes the claim that we're just "not seeing the big picture" here but I care to disagree. I think that's a crock of shit. If God really was a perfect miracle we wouldn't have to suffer. It's that simple.

[manuel bon]

@Meeksauce True, god is not 

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truly good in a human sense of the word

What Leo talks about goes beyond the human (and ego-based) definition of "good".

[manuel bon]

also, it's not possible to live without hurting other beings. just by going for a walk you're killing tens, if not hundreds (or more) insects, your body is constantly killing bacteria etc. Your definition of "good" and "heaven" are not possible, they are 100% based on your own survival agenda. 

[strangelooper]

5 minutes ago, manuel bon said:

also, it's not possible to live without hurting other beings. just by going for a walk you're killing tens, if not hundreds (or more) insects, your body is constantly killing bacteria etc. Your definition of "good" and "heaven" are not possible, they are 100% based on your own survival agenda. 

in a perfect universe none of that is a problem. Bacteria doesn't have to exist and insects can be relegated to their own habitat with no interference from humans, everyone respects each others space.

There are a ton of design solutions to every problem it is just that god is everything and everything is an absolute nightmare.

[Leo Gura]

[ted73104]

Unfortunately, God doesn't care if you think he is evil. God thinks he created a paradise, it is just that our finite perspective doesn't align with his infinite consciousness.

[manuel bon]

man go read any book about bacteria... you wouldn't be alive without them

[manuel bon]

I don't mean to attack or offend, I'm just saying my opinion. But as I said before, you are just looking at life from your own little perspective, and what you wish for is a fantasy created to please your ego. Again, I'm not attacking, everybody's ego doesn't want war, rape, suffering, etc (well, the majority of egos, not every). But still, I believe heaven can be found within this life no matter what it is

[Ponder]

Suffering is an illusion (in the most literal sense). I know simply saying this doesnt alleviate the very real-feeling suffering you’re going through (and I can empathise). However, suffering is temporary, peace is eternal. 
 

I went through my fair share of suffering (dark night of the soul was especially brutal) but what lies on the other side is nothing short of extraordinary. 

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[Staples]

Self-bias 101.

[Ramasta9]

5 hours ago, Meeksauce said:

God makes you suffer and gaslights you on a regular basis - think about it - if God were truly good in a human sense of the word, we would have perfect lives and never have to endure any suffering. We would be in heaven 24/7. I know Leo makes the claim that we're just "not seeing the big picture" here but I care to disagree. I think that's a crock of shit. If God really was a perfect miracle we wouldn't have to suffer. It's that simple.

Yes we did at one point, but then there was no growth, we were all blissfully and compassionately ignorant, without wisdom. We lived in circles.

The Creator is both darkness and light. Suffering is necessary until you master the art of who you truly are and what this truly is.

Then you no longer suffer, at least in the same way. You are suffering and blaming because you have still yet to realize who and what you truly are at the deepest level. And even then, integrating and embodying that knowingness is the real challenge and test of self-mastery.

Careful with the words you use, for they only 'reinforce' and create "more of that". 

Edited 5 hours ago by Ramasta9

[Elliott]

2 hours ago, manuel bon said:

also, it's not possible to live without hurting other beings. just by going for a walk you're killing tens, if not hundreds (or more) insects, your body is constantly killing bacteria etc. Your definition of "good" and "heaven" are not possible, they are 100% based on your own survival agenda. 

I don't think he's suggesting death is suffering, I think he's referring to suffering suffering.

[Someone here]

Of course as you said it doesn't make any sense at all to call God or existence good from the human perspective which is honestly obvious because animals in the jungle eat each other's alive every minute in sadistic ways and wars and genocide has existed for all of human history till today plus your own personal suffering in life whether physical or emotional etc. 

What Leo is talking about though is absolute goodness or Good with Capital G..which means anything and everything is perfect and inevitable If you look at it without prejudices or self-bias or selfishness or egoic projections .

[Davino]

God is not evil, God is masochistic

[Elliott]

28 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Of course as you said it doesn't make any sense at all to call God or existence good from the human perspective which is honestly obvious because animals in the jungle eat each other's alive every minute in sadistic ways and wars and genocide has existed for all of human history till today plus your own personal suffering in life whether physical or emotional etc. 

What Leo is talking about though is absolute goodness or Good with Capital G..which means anything and everything is perfect and inevitable If you look at it without prejudices or self-bias or selfishness or egoic projections .

Then why make any distinctions? Ignorane is Good, being wrong is Good then

[Someone here]

14 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Then why make any distinctions? Ignorane is Good, being wrong is Good then

They are Good from a selfless perspective. 

They are good or bad relative to some self .

Why make this distinction?  Because that's how this mechanism works.

[Elliott]

34 minutes ago, Someone here said:

They are Good from a selfless perspective. 

They are good or bad relative to some self .

Why make this distinction?  Because that's how this mechanism works.

The self mechanism? 

So, the only reason to espouse anything, even if it's True, is to manipulate people, because nothing actually matters, anything is Good?

[Someone here]

27 minutes ago, Elliott said:

So, the only reason to espouse anything, even if it's True, is to manipulate people, because nothing actually matters, anything is Good?

Yes .

Dude ..stop trolling . Nothing is wrong with anything from the absolute perspective.  This is the logic of perfection : if something exists ..then it must exists and it must be perfect. It's not like some part of infinity "should not " exist .

Stuff only appear as bad relative to some ego's agenda.  War and suffering are bad to you ..not to existence as a whole .

Where is it written that bombing the entire earth is bad ? Don't you kill millions of bacteria cells in your guts everyday?  Why is one bad and the other not ? Who exactly gets to say ? Only an ego .

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[Breakingthewall]

Life is war. No war, no life. The essence of life is the war against non-being and against other living beings. Life is more or less like the Warhammer novels. Then it's shocking that there is suffering? It's normal on a total war. Suffering is the norm. 

[Ishanga]

There is no God, it is You and I that make this world a world of Suffering, Unconsciousness is the root of all Evil.. If You say it is God's fault You bypass Responsibility, which causes more Suffering..

Life is not Suffering, Life is not Love, or War, or Joy, it is what YOU make of it, if You bypass this then You remain Unconscious and therefore more Suffering happens, its a vicious circle..

Take Responsibility, do Your part, make the world a place of less Suffering by not Suffering.. Never Suffer another's Suffering that adds to it all, just be the Light You want to see in the World, that is all You can do!