Bondi shooting 12 dead - Sydney, Australia

[Elliott]

24 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Does it have to be so black and white? 

What if taking away guns reduces the barrier to entry? Reduces incidence? Surely that is good.

Take this instance for example, you think eliminating guns would have stopped them? Look up terrorist attacks, and the different ways they do them. These guys planned this out, it wasn't a whim.

Take the Boston bombers for example, in gun loving America, they didn't use any gun. Oklahoma city bombing, fertilizer bomb. We had several parades recently where a truck ran over the people.

Depravity Whack-A-Mole. There's a simple solution, we have to quit murdering people, Europe murdering Palestinians, U.S. murdering muslims and Venezuelans, and none of our countries batting an eye at it.

You get these little attacks that relieve some pressure(from the persecuted), think AlQaeda, ISIS,..... you can plug these little holes eliminating guns, then it just boils at a higher temperature and explodes into a death toll of 3,000 (9/11)

Australia has pretty good gun control as far as I know. They're colonizers though, that's the problem.

Edited 12 hours ago by Elliott

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Elliott 

I still think it stands that strict gun control reduces harm.

Sure, there will always be those low consciousness people that this will not stop.

For me, there is no way around arguing that reducing access to guns assists in raising the barrier to entry for access AND harm - and this will have positive effects.

Edited 12 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Elliott]

22 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Elliott 

I still think it stands that strict gun control reduces harm.

 

Definitely. This situation doesn't seem like basic gun violence to me. Doesn't seem like the example to harp on gun control over.

[zazen]

@Elliott True what you say. Probably best to work on it from both ends - disarm the moles from the worst weapons and uproot the foundational issues driving these nutters to do what they do.

The West can’t bomb people overseas, invite the world in including people from the same regions they fuck over, not care enough about assimilating said people, then act shocked at the backlash.

I follow some right wingers on X to plug into their hive mind and it’s the predictable “deport Muslims” and “suicidal empathy” rhetoric coming from the same old big accounts.

Conspiracy brainstorm (or rot):

 

[Ulax]

8 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Does it have to be so black and white? 

What if taking away guns reduces the barrier to entry? Reduces incidence? Surely that is good.

Agreeeed

 

[Ishanga]

For sure Guns are the superior weapon, compared to knives/swords and such, but cars and vehicles can be destructive as well and are much easier to access, and guess what ppl luv to gather together outside (all times of the year) and do stuff.. Just the other day I was downtown Toronto, by the Eaton's center, I don't think it was that busy since it was cold outside but there were a few hundred ppl outside around the mall entrance and accross the street at Dundas Square (Toronto's Times Square), so if someone where to plow us all down with a truck a couple dozen ppl for sure would die, more hurt, so how hard is it too get a truck or car??

Also, this idea that less ppl getting killed is better, well if one person gets killed that is bad in situations like this, we are just desensitized by it now since it happens so often, one person getting shot or killed by some terrorist won't make the front page of the news anymore but it is significant, so let not make #'s comparison and say less is better than more, talk to the families and friends of the one that died and then see what is what..