Bondi shooting 12 dead - Sydney, Australia

[Elliott]

24 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Does it have to be so black and white? 

What if taking away guns reduces the barrier to entry? Reduces incidence? Surely that is good.

Take this instance for example, you think eliminating guns would have stopped them? Look up terrorist attacks, and the different ways they do them. These guys planned this out, it wasn't a whim.

Take the Boston bombers for example, in gun loving America, they didn't use any gun. Oklahoma city bombing, fertilizer bomb. We had several parades recently where a truck ran over the people.

Depravity Whack-A-Mole. There's a simple solution, we have to quit murdering people, Europe murdering Palestinians, U.S. murdering muslims and Venezuelans, and none of our countries batting an eye at it.

You get these little attacks that relieve some pressure(from the persecuted), think AlQaeda, ISIS,..... you can plug these little holes eliminating guns, then it just boils at a higher temperature and explodes into a death toll of 3,000 (9/11)

Australia has pretty good gun control as far as I know. They're colonizers though, that's the problem.

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Elliott 

I still think it stands that strict gun control reduces harm.

Sure, there will always be those low consciousness people that this will not stop.

For me, there is no way around arguing that reducing access to guns assists in raising the barrier to entry for access AND harm - and this will have positive effects.

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[Elliott]

22 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Elliott 

I still think it stands that strict gun control reduces harm.

 

Definitely. This situation doesn't seem like basic gun violence to me. Doesn't seem like the example to harp on gun control over.

[zazen]

@Elliott True what you say. Probably best to work on it from both ends - disarm the moles from the worst weapons and uproot the foundational issues driving these nutters to do what they do.

The West can’t bomb people overseas, invite the world in including people from the same regions they fuck over, not care enough about assimilating said people, then act shocked at the backlash.

I follow some right wingers on X to plug into their hive mind and it’s the predictable “deport Muslims” and “suicidal empathy” rhetoric coming from the same old big accounts.

Conspiracy brainstorm (or rot):

 

[Ulax]

8 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Does it have to be so black and white? 

What if taking away guns reduces the barrier to entry? Reduces incidence? Surely that is good.

Agreeeed

 

[Ishanga]

For sure Guns are the superior weapon, compared to knives/swords and such, but cars and vehicles can be destructive as well and are much easier to access, and guess what ppl luv to gather together outside (all times of the year) and do stuff.. Just the other day I was downtown Toronto, by the Eaton's center, I don't think it was that busy since it was cold outside but there were a few hundred ppl outside around the mall entrance and accross the street at Dundas Square (Toronto's Times Square), so if someone where to plow us all down with a truck a couple dozen ppl for sure would die, more hurt, so how hard is it too get a truck or car??

Also, this idea that less ppl getting killed is better, well if one person gets killed that is bad in situations like this, we are just desensitized by it now since it happens so often, one person getting shot or killed by some terrorist won't make the front page of the news anymore but it is significant, so let not make #'s comparison and say less is better than more, talk to the families and friends of the one that died and then see what is what..

[Elliott]

Australia has very low gun crime. There IS utility value to guns, should we ban trucks and gasoline(arson) too?

 

Australia

Shoobridge family murders 28 June 1997 Richmond, Tasmania 4 (plus perpetrator) 0 Peter Shoobridge cut the throats of his four daughters whilst they slept then took his own life with a rifle after cutting off one of his hands with an axe.[31]

Childers Palace Backpackers Hostel fire 23 June 2000 Childers, Queensland 15 unknown Arson attack by Robert Paul Long, which killed fifteen international backpackers.

Churchill Fire 7 February 2009 Churchill, Victoria 10 unknown Arson attack by Brendan Sokaluk that killed ten people, during the Black Saturday bushfires period.

Lin family murders 18 July 2009 North Epping, New South Wales 5 unknown Blunt instrument attack that killed five members of the Lin family.

Quakers Hill Nursing Home fire 18 November 2011 Quakers Hill, New South Wales 11 unknown Arson attack by Roger Kingsley Dean, a nurse, which killed eleven people.

 

Cairns child killings 19 December 2014 Cairns, Queensland 8 1 (self-inflicted by suspect) Stabbing attack and Familicide. Eight children aged 18 months to 15 years killed. Thirty-seven-year-old woman also found injured. The woman, Raina Mersane Ina Thaiday, was later charged with the murder of the children, seven of whom were hers, plus her niece.[32]

January 2017 Melbourne car attack 20 January 2017 Melbourne, Victoria 6 27 Vehicular attack. Dimitrious (James) Gargasoulas drove a Holden Commodore into Bourke St Mall, resulting in the deaths of six people and injuring 27 others. Should not be confused with the December 2017 Melbourne car attack which killed one person.

 

September 2018 Bedford massacre 9 September 2018 Bedford, Western Australia 5 0 Stabbing, familicide. Five people were fatally stabbed or bashed in a house in the suburb of Bedford near Perth. The victims were two adult women, one three year old girl, and two girls aged 18 months.[34] In April 2019, 25-year-old Anthony Harvey pleaded guilty to murdering his five family members.[35] Should not be confused with the 1879 Cape Bedford Massacre against aboriginal people.

2019 Darwin shooting 4 June 2019 Darwin, Northern Territory 4 1 Spree shooting. Four people were killed and one person suffered a critical leg injury in a mass shooting allegedly carried out with a prohibited pump-action (Category C) shotgun. The shooter, 45-year-old Benjamin Glenn Hoffman, was charged with four counts of murder and later pleaded guilty to three counts. The shooter had been released from prison on parole in January 2019 and was wearing a GPS-tracked electronic monitoring bracelet at the time of the offence.[36]

Camp Hill carjacking 19 February 2020 Camp Hill, Queensland 4 (plus perpetrator) 0 Domestic violence incident. Rowan Baxter set fire to his estranged wife's car, killing all four occupants, before committing suicide at the scene.

2024 Westfield Bondi Junction stabbings 13 April 2024 Bondi Junction, New South Wales 6 (plus perpetrator) 12 hospitalised Mass stabbing. Joel Cauchi entered Bondi Junction Westfield shopping centre where he stabbed multiple people before being shot by police. Five victims, four women and one man, died at the scene, while a sixth victim, a woman, died in hospital. The injured victims include a young child, whose mother was the sixth victim.[37]

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