Luigi Mangione smile

[Yali]

How can this guy find it in him to crack a smile? Does he not realize the collateral damage and suffering his actions have caused? This reminds me of @Leo Gura episode, "Everyone Acts with Good Intentions". He really thinks just because he had good intentions, that he is the good guy. That he is not to feel remorse, but is to actually be proud of his actions despite the suffering they've caused, hence his willingness to smile. Does that make him a psychopath, or just utterly self deceived and delusional? Just curious about his psychology. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Yali

[Carl-Richard]

Two of the 9/11 hijackers who flew the planes, when asked why they did not laugh ever, responded "how can you laugh with what is happening in Palestine?". Then they practiced for a year to get pilot licenses. Belief in oneself comes in many shapes and sizes.

[Breathe]

He may not be cracking a smile all the time so you can't jump to conclusions about how he feels based on a single photo.

We can deconstruct the situation, though.

Luigi suffered a lot due to the shitty health care that he received so he feels like justice has been served to some degree. A lot of people support what he did, so I imagine that he feels some level of validation. 

I believe that in his mind he made an example out of the victim and sent a message to the world.

I would imagine that he is at least a little bit afraid of the consequences he is about to face.

I do not know how he feels about the victim's family.

[Yali]

5 minutes ago, Breathe said:

He may not be cracking a smile all the time so you can't jump to conclusions about how he feels based on a single photo.

 

If he felt any amount of remorse, it would be impossible for him to smile in this situation.  @Breathe

[Breathe]

@Yali What situation? Being in court?

If he had any doubts about moving forward with his plan he could have stopped long before making a ghost gun and inscribing shit on bullets. He had plenty of time to think about his actions leading up to the execution.

So, you are probably right about him not feeling much remorse.

Edited 18 hours ago by Breathe

[Hojo]

What if she just told him a funny fart joke?

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Yali said:

Does that make him a psychopath, or just utterly self deceived and delusional?

No!

It means he has a different worldview than yours and you are too closedminded to understand it.

[Yali]

@Leo Gura No worldview justifies cold blood murder, and that should be obvious to him. But it isn't.

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It means he has a different worldview than yours and you are too closedminded to understand it.

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Yali

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Yali said:

No worldview justifies cold blood murder

False.

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and that should be obvious to him. But it isn't.

It should be obvious to you that's just your worldview. But it isn't.

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[Husseinisdoingfine]

 

[Raze]

It’s interesting even the people who are anti-Luigi don’t emphasize the humanity of the guy he killed that much.

I obviously don’t think murder is justified but I read more about him and I suspect he was some sort of corporate sociopath.

[eliasvelez]

I dont agree with murder and I think what Luigi did is murder! At the same time, dont you think that if you exploid millions of people and probably take some responsibility for a lot of deaths because you put profit over everything that  there will not be consequences? I think what is lacking is accountability and too much people in this Capitalist system dont get hold accountable. Even here in Swizerland, the guys who are responsible for the downfall of Credit Suisse and put the System at the edge of a collabse are lecturing in universities, becoming politicans or opening consulting firms.

So if you dont understand his motives, I do and I even sympathise with them. Im fcking sick of a system where predators of Society dont get held accountable and are getting the easy way out.

Edited 10 hours ago by eliasvelez

[Elliott]

7 hours ago, Yali said:

@Leo Gura No worldview justifies cold blood murder, and that should be obvious to him. But it isn't.

 

It's deeply ingrained in American culture. The irony, Luigi is spreading the thing that caused the CEOs behavior.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

6 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

 

Wow, never bothered to research the case that much, but how interesting is it. Bro literaly 3D printed his own damn gun with bullets

[Ishanga]

2 hours ago, eliasvelez said:

I dont agree with murder and I think what Luigi did is murder! At the same time, dont you think that if you exploid millions of people and probably take some responsibility for a lot of deaths because you put profit over everything that  there will not be consequences? I think what is lacking is accountability and too much people in this Capitalist system dont get hold accountable. Even here in Swizerland, the guys who are responsible for the downfall of Credit Suisse and put the System at the edge of a collabse are lecturing in universities, becoming politicans or opening consulting firms.

So if you dont understand his motives, I do and I even sympathise with them. Im fcking sick of a system where predators of Society dont get held accountable and are getting the easy way out.

It seems, at the top levels anyways, that corruption and using ppl and isolating power at the expense of others wellbeing is rewarded, this is the world we live in, a highly unconscious one, so that is the main problem. 

With HIgh Consciousness comes the experience of Oneness, I am You, You are Me, the Tree is Me, so is the Earth, and so on, this is not the experience of the avg person and most definitely not of the higher up elites, so until this problem is solved we will have what we have, the world collective Karma is to use ppl for your own benefit, this has impacts and residual effects for everyone and the planet (we are already in the 6th extinction event), so although I am hopeful for change and doing what I can to help it along,

I don't really see much of a future for Humanity, with all the problems going on AI, Climate Change, Continued Wars, Economic/Geo Political uncertainty, etc,,I give Humanity another 100yrs before we are extinct or almost extinct with nothing of what it is like today available to anyone...But we can Change if we want too!!

[Yali]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

False

How do you psychologically explain Luigi? Is he stage red? or a pyscho? or just thoroughly deceived? @Leo Gura

Edited 3 hours ago by Yali

[DocWatts]

If you believed you were putting a mass murderer in the ground, how much remorse would you have over it? Brian Thompson almost certainly killed more Americans than Osama Bin Laden - he was just doing it from behind a desk by denying people access to health care that they paid for, rather than by flying planes into buildings.

I'm not advocating for extra-judicial killings, but let's be real: America is a two tiered society where the rich and powerful can get fabulously wealthy through admirative murder (and get away with raping kids if they're the president), while ordinary people can have their lives ruined over a bag of weed.

 

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[Yali]

23 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

If you believed you were putting a mass murderer in the ground, how much remorse would you have over it?

Probably not much.  But how shortsighted would Luigi have to be to view Brian Thompson as a mass murderer? The guy is just doing his job.

 @DocWatts

Edited 2 hours ago by Yali

[DocWatts]

11 minutes ago, Yali said:

But how shortsighted would Luigi have to be to view Brian Thompson as a mass murderer? The guy is just doing his job.

 @DocWatts

And so was a concentration camp guard.

Fact of the matter is that Brian Thompson became fabulously wealthy denying people access to health care. The fact that we view intentionally denying people access to life saving care as ethically different from walking into an intensive care unit, unplugging those patients from their life support, and dumping their bodies out on the street just shows how inconsistent our ethical intuitions are.

Edited 2 hours ago by DocWatts

[Breathe]

32 minutes ago, Yali said:

Probably not much.  But how shortsighted would Luigi have to be to view Brian Thompson as a mass murderer? The guy is just doing his job.

 @DocWatts

If you were have to deal with the healthcare system for a serious health condition you would understand. 

It is criminal as fuck