Are incredible men just average women?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

If you want to see what regular masculinity is - talk to the average guy on the street. They have dreams, they like girls, they just want a life full of meaning and a woman to live with.

Why do you think man learns pickup? 

The mindfuck is that those guys who learn pickup care more about woman than anything else. The majority of man in pickup are regular nerdy guys who does not have confidence to even talk to woman. 

This worldview that man are extremely powerful creatures with godly powers is completely wrong. Society teaches it as a generalization. 

The reality is that we as man are born with nothing and we are expected to carry the burden, the generalized concept called "MAN".

If you are born as a man, you automatically needs to know male things instantly, being strong, powerful, useful, charismatic, mysterious but not so gay, girly, emotional, spiritual. 

We are just normal guys trying to survive. 

The map is not the territory.

I think while society is built as a patriarchy - it is wrong to blame or think all men are for, or created it.

Because in reality the patriarchy was built by an elite group of men. 

And the typical guy (as you describe) is just as much a victim of it as women can be ! Men as a whole should not be blamed for the patriarchal nature of society. But everyone should be aware of how we play the games it is built on - especially unconscious, damaging social hierarchies that status signal in a negative power seeking way.

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Real, real, real.

This is a biological feature, we as man do not have control over this variable. It just is.

Women (not all of them) doesn't understand that we are born with this huge sexual drive and we are judged by women as promiscuous.

Yes it is a HUGE point of difference and many women - almost all women I know in my personal life, do not understand it or comprehend how much of a need it is. My respect to the men who can channel and contain this immense desire in a healthy & powerful way that avoids exploitation and enhances connection and creativity  

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

47 minutes ago, EternalForest said:

I mean, masturbation isn't even in the same CATEGORY as intimate sex with someone who loves you. 

I've never had sex at all, let alone with someone who loves me, and for that I feel like I'm missing out on something huge. I could masturbate everyday for the rest of my life and it still won't fill the void.

So what I truly want isn't sex, it's a deep, fulfilling relationship.

You elaborated better the point I was trying to move toward earlier.

I think masturbation has nothing to do with sex, personally.

2 different things, fulfilling totally different needs.

[CARDOZZO]

58 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Because in reality the patriarchy was built by an elite group of men. 

Indeed.

How would you feel if you discovered that women always had all the keys to dissolve patriarchy? How would you feel if you discovered that feminism was a psyops to brainwash women into thinking they are powerless and man are the bad ones?

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[CARDOZZO]

55 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yes it is a HUGE point of difference and many women - almost all women I know in my personal life, do not understand it or comprehend how much of a need it is. My respect to the men who can channel and contain this immense desire in a healthy & powerful way that avoids exploitation and enhances connection and creativity  

spread the word  

[EternalForest]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You elaborated better the point I was trying to move toward earlier.

I think masturbation has nothing to do with sex, personally.

2 different things, fulfilling totally different needs.

Thank you, and thanks for understanding. A lot of men's problems are self-created but a lot of them are also circumstantial out of our control and we're socially stigmatized from speaking out, the same way women are for certain things... So empathy from women like you honestly means the world.

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[Lila9]

8 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Are you seeing a shift? Where do you see this kind of masculinity? 

If you talk to the regular Joe on the street, they are actually more prone to be a victim than to be a perpretator of this toxic masculinity worldview.

The majority of man just wants three things: full belly, empty balls and feeling useful.

I know it sounds simple but the regular man just needs it.

 

I see this among conservatives, the pro-life dudes, the incels, the red pills, the religious authorities, but also among liberal men and even “normal” dudes, in the way they consume women’s bodies in the form of porn and talk about women when there are no women around. The dehumanizing and degrading way it happens speaks entitlement. The covert and subtle misogyny, the two-faced nice guy.

And this is not a black or white issue. Men are certainly victims of patriarchy, but also the enablers of it. Women enable it too, especially the right-wing conservative ones, but there are various women who enable it without realizing.

Patriarchy is a system which enables male and female toxic behavior, which protects first and foremost the most immoral men and the women who unconditionally support them.

But the issue I see with men who get hurt by patriarchy is that they rarely blame it on the patriarchy or the elite men who reinforce those patriarchal beliefs, they admire them!

 They always blame women. They rarely look inside, or in the right direction, to understand it and to make life better for everyone.

 

[Lila9]

8 hours ago, EternalForest said:

Are you serious? If anything, you see ME as a machine if you think jacking off alone will make me happy. What the fuck?

Jacking off is a dopamine hit at best, it doesn't truly satisfy the soul. 

I mean, masturbation isn't even in the same CATEGORY as intimate sex with someone who loves you. 

And are you really pulling the "natural selection" card and saying some men are meant to die virgins?

I've never had sex at all, let alone with someone who loves me, and for that I feel like I'm missing out on something huge. I could masturbate everyday for the rest of my life and it still won't fill the void.

So what I truly want isn't sex, it's a deep, fulfilling relationship.

You're wrong about me, Lila.

The language you use, such as men being “denied” sex, is incel and red pill rhetoric of entitlement. This is problematic and shows a lack of empathy toward women, which may be the reason you are “denied” sex to begin with, because you are not emotionally safe.

I can empathize with your pain and romantic needs, but you don’t have to turn them into such rhetoric and blame all of your problems on women while never holding men in power (and the men and women who enable them) that reinforce the system which hurts everyone, accountable.

 

 

[Lila9]