Are incredible men just average women?

[Lila9]

4 hours ago, EternalForest said:

I don't think you understand that sex and intimacy is a basic human need and millions of men are being denied that because of hypergamy. It's you who is being insulting to the male gender. And btw, not saying he's a saint, but Elon Musk has done more for the world than the average woman ever will. No need to stigmatize men who look up to the literal richest man in the world.

 

Sexual needs can be easily satisfied with masturbation or be channelled to other things, you don't really have to sleep with women to satisfy it. When you talk about men being denied sex it only shows that you see women as machines who are obligated to give men sex.

Naturally, a man who cannot attract women to sleep with him will not procreate. That's nature. It is brutal but this is how it is. Men who didn't put the effort to attract women, died virgins. And there is nothing new about it. There is no one to blame. 

You may sleep with a woman who you are not attracted to but you will never be willingly in a relationship with her and you will never see her as a human.

Many men tend to actively disrespect and bully women who they don't find attractive rather than simply leaving them alone. Which is worse than being "denied" sex from the random woman you find attractive and feel entitled too. 

This is a problem. If men view sex and women this way, why would women want to sleep with them? It only makes women more picky. But then you delude yourself that women are pickier because some stupid reasons.

You never want to look at the root issue and work on it. You never dare to de construct the patriarchy and question it deeply. No, no. You just whine and complain and keep following the same people who benefit from it, like Elon. You get fucked by such people in the ass every day, ignorant for your entire life that they perpetuate the system which hurts you. But you will ever blame women. For everything.

Do you think people like Elon give a shit about you? Come on.

 

 

 

[Lila9]

 

[Basman]

I'm an average man. Those that make me a below-average woman?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

18 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Sexual needs can be easily satisfied with masturbation or be channelled to other things, you don't really have to sleep with women to satisfy it. When you talk about men being denied sex it only shows that you see women as machines who are obligated to give men sex.

Do you think perhaps sex is a way that men connect to women emotionally - a way to express their love and feel closer and more connected? Each sex feels connection in different ways, in my experience. 

The above might present an issue, in that case.

[Lila9]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Do you think perhaps sex is a way that men connect to women emotionally - a way to express their love and feel closer and more connected? Each sex feels connection in different ways, in my experience. 

The above might present an issue, in that case.

 

Men who want to emotionally connect with women, just put the effort to do that. People can emotionally connect in multiple ways. Sex is not the only way.

Men can sleep years with their wives, never feel emotionally connected to them. They can feel more emotionally connected to their male friends than their wives. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Men who want to emotionally connect with women, just put the effort to do that. People can emotionally connect in multiple ways. Sex is not the only way.

Men can sleep years with their wives, never feel emotionally connected to them. They can feel more emotionally connected to their male friends than their wives. 

I did not say sex is the only way. But perhaps, it is to be considered as a love language for men, and how they can more easily access emotions and emotional connection with a women. Just as women feel closer and more connected through words etc

Sex is an expression of love for me and emotional connection. In a way that words cannot do. Many men also feel this way.

This is just another way to view the situation. 

Many men suffer from alexithymia and sex can help them open to emotions. It can help them express and communicate better as physical intimacy acts as a conduit and clarity enhancing expression for them.

Edited 9 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Lila9]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I did not say sex is the only way. But perhaps, it is to be considered as a love language for men, and how they can more easily access emotions and emotional connection with a women. Just as women feel closer and more connected through words etc

Sex is an expression of love for me and emotional connection. In a way that words cannot do. Many men also feel this way.

I think that women view sex more as a way to connect with men emotionally, while men tend to view it less that way, if I am being realistic.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, Lila9 said:

I think that women view sex more as a way to connect with men emotionally, while men tend to view it less that way, if I am being realistic.

 

I think that can be true for sure.

I think many men do this also, and are totally unaware of it. I think as maturity rises men become more aware of this function of emotional connection through sex. Enhancing bonding and closeness.

Some men remain unaware their whole lives.

I have had my most real, vulnerable and close conversations from men following making love while just rolling around in bed  

I find women can connect emotionally through words much more easily than men can. Which is why I think sex is so important for them - especially higher consciousness men 

[Lila9]

21 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think that can be true for sure.

I think many men do this also, and are totally unaware of it. I think as maturity rises men become more aware of this function of emotional connection through sex. Enhancing bonding and closeness.

Some men remain unaware their whole lives.

I have had my most real, vulnerable and close conversations from men following making love while just rolling around in bed  

Beautiful. That's why I'm attracted to emotionally mature men 🙂

21 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I find women can connect emotionally through words much more easily than men can. Which is why I think sex is so important for them - especially higher consciousness men 

I see what you mean, that it is less socially acceptable for men to connect with women by directly expressing emotions, so the only thing left is sex.

I still don't like the way men talk about sex and the entitlement around it.

Edited 9 hours ago by Lila9

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I still don't like the way men talk about sex and the entitlement around it.

Yes, I understand that.

It is the phrasing around the 'getting' that really runs into the icky feeling of it being transactional. Reducing interaction down to a single persons needs being met at the expense of the other (I feel this is the main issue surrounding this dialogue).

I think some of this is a function of the extreme and overriding compulsion to obtain sex from men with very high sex drives. Some have appetites so overwhelming, another's wellbeing and needs can be reduced/ignored. 

Sex is a huge need for men - while for women, I think it is different.

The axis is very lopsided

[CARDOZZO]

31 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Sex is a huge need for men - while for women, I think it is different.

Real, real, real.

This is a biological feature, we as man do not have control over this variable. It just is.

Women (not all of them) doesn't understand that we are born with this huge sexual drive and we are judged by women as promiscuous.

Just think about how sensitive you are on your "period". Now, transfer that intensity/sensitivity  to sexual drive. That's how we feel.

We as man need to understand how to control and direct this sexual drive. A good relationship is a container to the beast.

Edited 8 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[CARDOZZO]

Imagine an itch that never goes away. It changes its intensity but it is always present in some form. 

Somedays you control yourself to not scratch. 

This is how the majority of man feels about sexual drive.

Edited 8 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[Lila9]

27 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yes, I understand that.

It is the phrasing around the 'getting' that really runs into the icky feeling of it being transactional. Reducing interaction down to a single persons needs being met at the expense of the other (I feel this is the main issue surrounding this dialogue).

I think some of this is a function of the extreme and overriding compulsion to obtain sex from men with very high sex drives. Some have appetites so overwhelming, another's wellbeing and needs can be reduced/ignored. 

Sex is a huge need for men - while for women, I think it is different.

The axis is very lopsided

I can accept that there is a biological male sexual drive, which is more intense for biological reasons.
But I also can’t help but notice an additional layer that increases male sexual competition, and that is the social one. The social pressure put on men to chase sex as much as they can, as a tool to validate their status and masculinity within the society.

Sexual energy can be channeled into human connection and bonding, great inventions, creativity, and contributions to humanity, or it can be channeled toward the destruction of life, children, women’s bodies.

 I feel that since we live in a patriarchal society, it is far more lenient with men doing the latter. It enables it.

So I don’t think that men’s entitlement to women’s bodies is justified just because they have a strong sexual drive. Men’s entitlement is more due to misogyny and dehumanization of women.

[CARDOZZO]

4 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I can accept that there is a biological male sexual drive, which is more intense for biological reasons.
But I also can’t help but notice an additional layer that increases male sexual competition, and that is the social one. The social pressure put on men to chase sex as much as they can, as a tool to validate their status and masculinity within the society.

Sexual energy can be channeled into human connection and bonding, great inventions, creativity, and contributions to humanity, or it can be channeled toward the destruction of life, children, women’s bodies.

Agree.

Since childhood we are forced to display intense sexual interest in women or they will call you gay. This is not a direct cause for our sexual drive, it just enables what already was. One day it will come up anyway.

I am doing the latter nowadays. I feel much more fullfiled as a man. We do not need to prove our value to society counting how many woman we leave to bed.

9 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

 I feel that since we live in a patriarchal society, it is far more lenient with men doing the latter. It enables it.

So I don’t think that men’s entitlement to women’s bodies is justified just because they have a strong sexual drive. Men’s entitlement is more due to misogyny and dehumanization of women.

I don't think that all man thinks they are entitled to a woman's body. We have a huge masculinity crisis where man in general don't feel even entitled to TALK to a woman.

This "men" that you talk about needs to be more specified. Who are they? Where do they live? Country? Age? Religion Background? Is it all men? All of them? 

 

[Lila9]

35 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Real, real, real.

This is a biological feature, we as man do not have control over this variable. It just is.

Women (not all of them) doesn't understand that we are born with this huge sexual drive and we are judged by women as promiscuos.

Just think about how sensitive you are on your "period". Now, transfer that intensity/sensitivity  to sexual drive. That's how we feel.

We as man need to understand how to control and direct this sexual drive. A good relationship is a container to the beast.

I can understand what an intense sexual drive is. Women experience it as well. I know how it feels.

I don’t know how strong it is compared to men, it is difficult to compare.

But I can’t imagine hurting someone and feeling entitled to someone’s body just because I feel an intense sexual drive. It doesn’t make sense.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Lila9

[CARDOZZO]

1 minute ago, Lila9 said:

But I can’t imagine hurting someone and feeling entitled to someone’s body just because I feel an intense sexual drive. It doesn’t make sense.

Of course not, this is archaic masculinity. 

[Lila9]

2 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

I am doing the latter nowadays. I feel much more fullfiled as a man. We do not need to prove our value to society counting how many woman we leave to bed.

I am happy for you that you have reached this level of peace. 
 

3 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

 

I don't think that all man thinks they are entitled to a woman's body. We have a huge masculinity crisis where man in general don't feel even entitled to TALK to a woman.

This "men" that you talk about needs to be more specified. Who are they? Where do they live? Country? Age? Religion Background? Is it all men? All of them? 

 

I don’t think that all men feel entitled to women’s bodies either, but there are enough men who feel entitled enough to cause serious damage across the globe, regardless of their background.

 

[CARDOZZO]

35 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I am happy for you that you have reached this level of peace. 

Appreciate  

35 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I don’t think that all men feel entitled to women’s bodies either, but there are enough men who feel entitled enough to cause serious damage across the globe, regardless of their background.

Are you seeing a shift? Where do you see this kind of masculinity? 

If you talk to the regular Joe on the street, they are actually more prone to be a victim than to be a perpretator of this toxic masculinity worldview.

The majority of man just wants three things: full belly, empty balls and feeling useful.

I know it sounds simple but the regular man just needs it.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[CARDOZZO]

If you want to see what regular masculinity is - talk to the average guy on the street. They have dreams, they like girls, they just want a life full of meaning and a woman to live with.

Why do you think man learns pickup? 

The mindfuck is that those guys who learn pickup care more about woman than anything else. The majority of man in pickup are regular nerdy guys who does not have confidence to even talk to woman. 

This worldview that man are extremely powerful creatures with godly powers is completely wrong. Society teaches it as a generalization. 

The reality is that we as man are born with nothing and we are expected to carry the burden, the generalized concept called "MAN".

If you are born as a man, you automatically needs to know male things instantly, being strong, powerful, useful, charismatic, mysterious but not so gay, girly, emotional, spiritual. 

We are just normal guys trying to survive. 

The map is not the territory.

Edited 7 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[EternalForest]

3 hours ago, Lila9 said:

 

Sexual needs can be easily satisfied with masturbation or be channelled to other things, you don't really have to sleep with women to satisfy it. When you talk about men being denied sex it only shows that you see women as machines who are obligated to give men sex.

Naturally, a man who cannot attract women to sleep with him will not procreate. That's nature. It is brutal but this is how it is. Men who didn't put the effort to attract women, died virgins. And there is nothing new about it. There is no one to blame. 

You may sleep with a woman who you are not attracted to but you will never be willingly in a relationship with her and you will never see her as a human.

Many men tend to actively disrespect and bully women who they don't find attractive rather than simply leaving them alone. Which is worse than being "denied" sex from the random woman you find attractive and feel entitled too. 

This is a problem. If men view sex and women this way, why would women want to sleep with them? It only makes women more picky. But then you delude yourself that women are pickier because some stupid reasons.

You never want to look at the root issue and work on it. You never dare to de construct the patriarchy and question it deeply. No, no. You just whine and complain and keep following the same people who benefit from it, like Elon. You get fucked by such people in the ass every day, ignorant for your entire life that they perpetuate the system which hurts you. But you will ever blame women. For everything.

Do you think people like Elon give a shit about you? Come on.

 

 

 

Are you serious? If anything, you see ME as a machine if you think jacking off alone will make me happy. What the fuck?

Jacking off is a dopamine hit at best, it doesn't truly satisfy the soul. 

I mean, masturbation isn't even in the same CATEGORY as intimate sex with someone who loves you. 

And are you really pulling the "natural selection" card and saying some men are meant to die virgins?

I've never had sex at all, let alone with someone who loves me, and for that I feel like I'm missing out on something huge. I could masturbate everyday for the rest of my life and it still won't fill the void.

So what I truly want isn't sex, it's a deep, fulfilling relationship.

You're wrong about me, Lila.