Conformity Examples Mega-Thread

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Nemra said:

I was more talking about wearing outfits in sports that are sexually suggestive out of conformity.

It defeats the whole purpose of not being viewed as sexual objects most of the time.

I'm not saying girls should wear a niqab:  

 

Wearing a niqab is also conformity, which, I think, dehumanizes girls.

This is also conformity then as you’re expecting them to wear clothing in a range in line with your values and culture. More covering is normal to some and less to others,

[Nemra]

34 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

American exceptionalism 

Some Americans think that they are the most racist country in the world. 

[Raze]

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Raze

[Leo Gura]

Girls in the West need to wear hijabs, and girls in the Middle East need to walk around in yoga pants.

Problem solved.

[integration journey]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Girls in the West need to wear hijabs, and girls in the Middle East need to walk around in yoga pants.

Problem solved.

I don’t why yoga pants are so distracting. 

[Nemra]

@Raze, are they wearing niqabs somewhat for their own choice or because it has religious meaning to them?

I see no problem with girls wearing those outfits for privacy reasons or perhaps some of them like those outfits for aesthetic reasons.

But you can't say to me that they aren't wearing them for religious reasons or to not be shunned by their society most of the time.

For example, Orthodox Christian girls wear a head covering when entering a church. That's conformity.

Edited 12 hours ago by Nemra

[Lila9]

23 minutes ago, Nemra said:

I was more talking about wearing outfits in sports that are sexually suggestive out of conformity.

It defeats the whole purpose of not being viewed as sexual objects most of the time.

I'm not saying girls should wear a niqab:  

Wearing a niqab is also conformity, which, I think, dehumanizes girls.

Yes, it can be conformity, self-objectification, and pornification in order to fit in.

Both the niqab girls and the Western self-objectifying girl fall to the social pressure as women to cater to the male gaze and are centered around male desire rather than authentic self-expression or individuality.

Yet, a woman can dress modestly or more revealing as part of her self-expression and individuality too. 

It is not always conformity.

Revealing the body is not always about wanting to be a sexual object or be objectified (as the body is not merely sexual), and dressing modestly is not always about covering or hiding the body to avoid "tempting" men or to signal moral "purity".

 

[Nemra]

28 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Revealing the body is not always about wanting to be a sexual object or be objectified (as the body is not merely sexual), and dressing modestly is not always about covering or hiding the body to avoid "tempting" men or to signal moral "purity".

Sure, but sports are physically demanding, not about trying to look attractive. The sportswear must be pragmatic.

Looking attractive is the least they should care about.

I was specifically talking about sports.

I'm not trying to be being moralistic here.

Edited 11 hours ago by Nemra

[Terell Kirby]

Think tanks / mastermind groups

[Lila9]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Sure, but sports is about physical activity, not trying to look attractive. The sportswear must be pragmatic.

I was specifically talking about sports.

I'm not trying to be being moralistic here.

I see. The thing is that revealing clothes can be practical as well.

Saggy and modest clothes can be uncomfortable in sports and not as practical too especially in a hot climate.

This can be the equivalent of men training without a shirt when there is warm weather.

[Nemra]

13 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

The thing is that revealing clothes can be practical as well.

Perhaps it can be, but then why aren't they trying not to make it more revealing?

Why aren't men's clothes not as revealing as women's?

Would you like it if men's clothes were as revealing as women's clothes? Wouldn't you get distracted or maybe disgusted?

Do you want to solely watch sports to see who's more attractive?

Edited 11 hours ago by Nemra

[Lila9]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Perhaps it can be, but then why aren't they trying not to make it more revealing?

Why aren't men's clothes not as revealing as women's?

Would you like it if men's clothes were as revealing as women's clothes? Wouldn't you get distracted or maybe disgusted?

I personally don't think that women's sports clothes are that revealing. Wearing a bra and shorts or leggings is comfortable and practical.

They may want to look good and attractive while wearing them, but again, they are part of a culture that judges them for not being attractive enough according to social standards. In a society in which the main thing valued in women is attractiveness, being perceived as not attractive for a woman is like death or invisibility.

Also, men can wear sports clothes and want to look good at the same time. We live in a stage of body image obsession that men take part in too.

If women were wearing thong underwear and a cloth covering only the nipples to the gym, then I would say, yes, this may be too much and unnecessary. But this is not the case for most women wearing sports clothes.

If men's sports clothes were revealing (which they already are, given that men often train without a shirt to showcase their muscles), I wouldn't mind and would not look at them, regardless of how I feel about it, because this is their body and their lives.

I trust that what they are wearing is comfortable enough for them, and if they do it merely to attract girls, this is not my business.

[Nemra]

@Lila9, watch sports.

It's not only about revealing clothes. Notice that the clothes are made to make them more cute and more attractive.

6 hours ago, Lila9 said:

They may want to look good and attractive while wearing them, but again, they are part of a culture that judges them for not being attractive enough according to social standards. In a society in which the main thing valued in women is attractiveness, being perceived as not attractive for a woman is like death or invisibility.

Then they should take responsibility for not making themselves viewed as sexual objects all the time if they want to.

I would say that a lot of men wouldn't care about women's sports if women didn't wear clothes that make them sexually appealing. Well, men can take responsibility for always objectifying, but then if women are so upset about it, then maybe they should take some responsibility.

If women want to play dumb when it suits them, then they shouldn't be so surprised.

Again, I'm mainly talking about sports.

Sorry, I won't continue, because we are derailing the thread.

Edited 4 hours ago by Nemra

[UnbornTao]

13 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Liking the food of the culture you come from

In a way, it would be hard not to do that, unless you traveled to several countries as a kid and stayed there for a while, I presume.

[Lila9]

4 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Lila9, watch sports.

I don't watch sports. But can you give me an example of what women sports clothes you are referring to?

5 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Well, men can take responsibility for always objectifying

Do men take enough responsibility? How many men understand that the female body is not merely sexual but also functional and neutral?

It doesn't matter whether a woman is wearing clothes due to self-objectification or not. 

If a man wants to objectify a woman, he will objectify her. A woman can dress in any way without the intention to be objectified and yet, she still will be objectified.

Men objectify women even with a hijab or niqab, imagining them naked.

It is not a woman's job to regulate men's sexual desire, nor is it her responsibility, because only men can control it as they are the one who experiencing it.

[Nemra]

@Lila9, I didn't say men didn't objectify. I tried to say that men can take responsibility of why they are only objectifying if they want to. But so too women can take responsibility of why they are making themselves objectified.

However, you cannot take away people being attracted to others body. That's a fantasy.

55 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I don't watch sports. But can you give me an example of what women sports clothes you are referring to?

It very easy to Google stuff.

55 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

It is not a woman's job to regulate men's sexual desire, nor is it her responsibility, because only men can control it as they are the one who experiencing it.

Sure. But you are looking at it at a surface level.

If those women in sports started questioning, they would understand that they were being made objects. They are going on with the conformity, but they think they are expressing themselves. And criticism of that conformity is deemed as controlling women's bodies, even though they are already being controlled and they don't want to take responsibility for putting themselves into that situation. It's very deceptive.

Sorry, didn't keep my promise of not derailing the thread. I'll stop now.

Edited 3 hours ago by Nemra

[Lila9]

29 minutes ago, Nemra said:

But so too women can take responsibility of why they are making themselves

That's for sure, women are responsible to be more critical of beauty standards and the social expectations. But they can't control the way some random man sees them.

29 minutes ago, Nemra said:

However, you cannot take away people being attracted to others body. That's a fantasy.

I didn't say it. My point was that men can own their sexual desire and perception of female body instead of automatically balming women.

29 minutes ago, Nemra said:

It very easy to Google stuff.

I Googled already.

 Didn't find anything too reveling or hypersexual. That's why I asked.

29 minutes ago, Nemra said:

If those women in sports started questioning, they would understand that they were being made objects. They are going on with the conformity, but they think they are expressing themselves. And criticism of that conformity is deemed as controlling women's bodies, even though they are already being controlled. It's very deceptive.

There is pressure on women to fit into certain beauty standards that may be objectifying, and there may be consequences for not fitting in.

While women are definitely responsible for questioning and resisting them, I often find it unsettling that women are often blamed for trying to fit into those standards rather than people questioning the system that heavily pressures women into this objectification and conformity to begin with.

29 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Sorry, didn't keep my promise of not derailing the thread. I'll stop now.

Ok.

Edited 3 hours ago by Lila9

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Let's try not to derail every thread into men vs women.

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