I Am Behind The Eyes

[Butters]

My experience of me is central in my head, behind the eyes. 

When I experience an itch in my foot, I clearly notice a signal from a distant place (foot). The I noticing the itch is behind the eyes as usual. 

I've never experienced my life from any other area of the body. I don't experience life from the knees, I experience it from behind the eyes. This is where the "I" lives. 

However, when I close my eyes or get lost in thought, the "I" sort of... disappears? Or is no longer centralized? This is rather mysterious. And how is it possible I can get lost in thought while driving a car or doing other complex tasks with my eyes open? It just doesn't make sense. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Butters

[Ramasta9]

Close your eyes but remain as if you are still looking straight ahead, that is awareness or practicing remaining aware/present.

Lost in thought = due to overstimulation / too much mental / sensory overload.

Try get really active in your body, bust a sweat, do some physical activity until you are tired, then notice the difference.

You need to shake it all off, that's why after a good dance or run you can sit deeply in thoughtlessness.

[Leo Gura]

The entire universe is looking through your eyes.

[svreishren]

42 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The entire universe is looking through your eyes.

LOL. W-wha..

 Why would the universe (assuming it makes sense that the universe could even 'see' something to begin with, or even if it could, have any agenda to do so) be interested in peeking through the eyes of someone posting on the super duper actualized forum, lol?

I can see you picturing one of those Pinterest edits, of " cosmic deities', like Brahman or some shit...or a giant glowing man with galaxies swirling in his eyes,  and you actually think that’s reality, lol. You’ve probably got that image tucked somewhere in your subconscious, like the universe is a big dude peeking through your skull, lol.

That sounds more like rehashed pantheism on steroids blended with mild hallucination.

Edited 4 hours ago by svreishren

[svreishren]

7 hours ago, Butters said:

My experience of me is central in my head, behind the eyes. 

When I experience an itch in my foot, I clearly notice a signal from a distant place (foot). The I noticing the itch is behind the eyes as usual. 

I've never experienced my life from any other area of the body. I don't experience life from the knees, I experience it from behind the eyes. This is where the "I" lives. 

However, when I close my eyes or get lost in thought, the "I" sort of... disappears? Or is no longer centralized? This is rather mysterious. And how is it possible I can get lost in thought while driving a car or doing other complex tasks with my eyes open? It just doesn't make sense. 

Yes, you are the one behind your eyes. Not the "universe," like some folks here say. That's spiritual decay and degenerate spirituality (such is monism or dualism/nondualism), not knowledge or any "truth." Don't listen to anybody telling you how you should see yourself. That should be your first red flag that a threat is in your way. The guy who runs this website is obsessed with dualities he invents and is probably into some form of hardcore Gnosticism or Zoharic Kabbalah, even likely mixed with Thelema, all the way from the start.
Watch this and leave these "nonduality" or "enlightenment" cults while you can. It's all a sham. A hoax. 
They are literally depersonalization/dissociation cults. That's all they are.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by svreishren

[Hojo]

@svreishrenWhen I awaken I blinked and I saw the entire universe behind my eyes. Like physical universe. The universe is sentient and it has a point of view the same way you have a point of view as a human.The universe has eyes that it can look out of like you think you do.

Pretend you had an infinite library of movies to watch, you can pick any kind of movie ever created in the history of the universe but you dont have a preference as to which one to watch (genre, style). You dont know which one to watch so you just click on a random one and start watching. So why this one? This is the one you picked as simple as that.

The universe has a personality like you have right now its not like an empty thing. The universe is empty but the personality (the blackness behind your eyes ) isnt.

The universe is like a person or whatever makes the person a person, and not a robot. It can go WOW IM THE UNIVERSE! I CANT BELEIVE IM THE UNIVERSE! WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!

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[svreishren]

11 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@svreishrenWhen I awaken I blinked and I saw the entire universe behind my eyes. 

 

Like Leo, you’re using words you don’t actually understand. You say “entire universe” as if that’s a tangible, total thing, but it’s not. There is no “entire.” You’re assuming the universe is some fixed, completed totality that can be seen or grasped, when in reality it’s a constant flux, an ongoing creation, not a static whole. So the very phrase “entire universe” is incoherent. Just like there is no 'everything.' Just like there is no 'infinite'. And the universe is not 'infinite'. And you don't live in an 'infinite' reality. It's indefinite, indeifnite, and indefinite. 

You couldn't even know what you mean by "Universe", let alone "entire". So, you're not really saying anything.  

At best, you might’ve observed yourself from a certain zoomed-out perspective or had visuals of planets, space, or some images you associate with "cosmic imagery". But that doesn’t mean you saw the universe, it just means you hallucinated symbolic representations of it. Even an out-of-body experience wouldn’t make that claim valid.

Saying “I saw the universe behind my eyes” makes no sense because the universe is out there, external to you. What you saw was in your mind—subjective imagery, neural fireworks, psychedelic patterning, not the universe itself. Because that makes no sense. 

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[Hojo]

@svreishrenIt is because theres something outside of it looking into it. If theres something outside looking in that means theres an end. It ends the same spot you end in physical reality. Right now you are outside of the universe looking into the universe. Thinking you are the thing in the universe when you arent that.

Its infinitely deep but has a starting point. The starting point is God which is what you are. The thing outside of the universe looking into it. That thing is nothing.

Theres no physical reason why I would have neurons that have a point of view of the entire universe in my head.

You cant know the whole universe because its infinitely deep but you can see you are it. God didnt create the entire universe from the bottom up it just said Im God and I create the entire universe and it happened. The starting point is the beggining and the whole thing. Your existence started from the point of view of the entire universe.

Its qualia is awe, clean, shiny, perfectly ordered.

When you see that you are the entire universe there is still something behind you from the universes point of view. Its the infinite SHIVA

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[Cubbage]

[Leo Gura]

@svreishren You are being a fool.

[Inliytened1]

8 hours ago, Butters said:

My experience of me is central in my head, behind the eyes. 

When I experience an itch in my foot, I clearly notice a signal from a distant place (foot). The I noticing the itch is behind the eyes as usual. 

I've never experienced my life from any other area of the body. I don't experience life from the knees, I experience it from behind the eyes. This is where the "I" lives. 

However, when I close my eyes or get lost in thought, the "I" sort of... disappears? Or is no longer centralized? This is rather mysterious. And how is it possible I can get lost in thought while driving a car or doing other complex tasks with my eyes open? It just doesn't make sense. 

When you really sit down to question the you that you think your are - this entity behind the eyes - you start to realize that you can never pin point it exactly or directly.   Example.   You think you are an entity behind the eyes.  Ok.  Where is that though exactly can you place it or see it? Is it then nothing?  But what is nothing? Or do you believe you are the soul? So what is a soul? Does it exist somewhere in time and space? Or is it nothing? And what is nothing? You start to realize that these are all concepts.  The self is a concept.  Go read Peter Ralston's book on not knowing and meditate big time.  And then listen to Leo's self inquiry videos. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@svreishren

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Watch this and leave these "nonduality" or "enlightenment" cults while you can. It's all a sham. A hoax. 
They are literally depersonalization/dissociation cults. That's all they are.

I think what you may not realise is even the fact you are saying this means it is an idea to you and a concept.

It is not an experience you have had.

[Hojo]

I think a good thing to try it stand in one place. Where am I? I am behind this somewhere. Ok turn around 180 degrees are you there? No im behind still. Look up are you there? No you are somewhere down under what you are looking at. Look down are you there? No.

Now do the theoretical You are in your brain.  Okay well theoretically look at your brain. Take your eyes and point them at your brain are you there? No, now im in the eyes now looking at the brain. Or im still in the brain but cant see myself. Ok slice the brain one piece at a time take the eyes and look at yourself slicing your brain. Are you going to find yourself at all? NO.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[Terell Kirby]

8 hours ago, Butters said:

I experience it from behind the eyes. This is where the "I" lives. 

Wait till you discover that eyes themselves are hallucinations of the Mind.

The "I" is unbounded, not constrained by anything except its own hallucinations.

[theoneandnone]

This self this I or me, Is an illusion happening inside awareness. Truly there is no inside or outside there is just ISness.

[theoneandnone]

33 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Wait till you discover that eyes themselves are hallucinations of the Mind.

The "I" is unbounded, not constrained by anything except its own hallucinations.

Yep I actually gouged out my own eyes because they are illusory I am still able to write because I’m generating reality. Seriously test this you don’t need eyes they are fake I’m seeing with my mind.

[svreishren]

3 hours ago, Hojo said:

@svreishren 

"There is no reality; it’s all an illusion. There’s no universe; it’s all an illusion"—and yet somehow, when you’re tripping, the universe suddenly comes back into existence just to ‘look into your eyes’? Lol. And for no reason whatsoever. Such convenient logic. Your arguments work by convenience, not consistency. 

What’s more likely to be true? That you guys—or Actualized.org overall—just exist to mess with people’s perception of objective, local reality and their sense of self. When you’re in waking life: ‘Oh no, reality’s fake! It’s all hallucinatory BS! Even your identity is fake, santa claus crap!’ But when you’re tripping? Suddenly it’s not you who’s tripping—oh no—it’s reality, it’s the universe becoming you, just to nullify the self. ‘Muh ego bad! Muh self evil!’

And seriously, read OP again — are you looking through OP’s eyes? No. You can play mind games with Leo all you want, twist words all day, but the truth is simple: when you were having your trip, nobody else was having it for you. That was your experience alone. That’s your personal pattern — you having the experience.

You can dress it up and say, ‘Oh, but the universe did this, the universe did that, it was inside me,’ yadda yadda—it doesn’t change anything. It was still you having that experience, not anyone else, not me, not Leo. That’s basically it. No rocket science, no metaphysical gymnastics—just obvious raw truth. Common sense that somehow still needs to be said because people around here keep trying to philosophize it out of existence

Edited 59 minutes ago by svreishren

[Leo Gura]

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