John Anthony's channel taken down

[nerdspeak]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you're in top 10% on looks, you can get a lot of average girls off online. That'a how many PUAs get their lay counts up.

Most highly successful PUAs have great looks.

Yeah and if you relocate to Ukraine or South America, top 30% in looks will get you the same bump top 10% gets you in the West. But you can get a lot of numbers from cold approach too.

 

11 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I mean you are basically talking about a sex addict? And I have met 1-2 guys like that in eastern Europe who had some cash and were able to build their life around PUA and no they did not regularly pull beautiful women. Most beautiful quality women can instantly smell out weirdos or anything defective about a person. These guys pulled but many of their pulls were of questionable standards. Rapey men. They were dipping into MILFS, alternative looking girls, drug users, talking to underage girls, etc. You have to realize that reality does not reward that belief system. You do not get quality sex and quality partners by having a shitty belief system. Your post is misleading. Any quality guy would pass on most of the women those guys pull. 

You’re shifting the goalposts. We were talking about feasibility of the numbers jmulv claims and the numbers I reported (to contextualize that jmulv’s claims of 1000 lays are not that outlandish). Not whether all of the girls were super hot or had the best morals. You and Leo claimed those numbers were outlandish even with average girls, I’m saying they’re not if you’re extremely dedicated with lots of free time and stack the odds in your favor. 

Of course it’s weird behavior to move to a 3rd world country and game 10 hours per day. I’m pretty weird and got bored with it after a year. But imagine the results you could get optimizing the process for 10 years, which is what many of these guys do. While having a few million dollars to get 1:1 coaching and a nice apartment with perfect logistics. There are other tactics too but I don’t want to dox people.  

We all agree Jmulv is a creep. My point is, you can get the numbers he claims if you are determined to do it, it’s not impossible. Nor do you have to be exceptionally good-looking, you just have to build a high-volume repeatable funnel. 

Edited November 14, 2025 by nerdspeak

[Lyubov]

10 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

You’re shifting the goalposts. We were talking about feasibility of the numbers jmulv claims and the numbers I reported (to contextualize that jmulv’s claims of 1000 lays are not that outlandish). Of course it’s weird behavior to move to a 3rd world country and game 10 hours per day. I’m pretty weird and got bored with it after a year. But we all agree Jmulv is a creep. My point is, you can get those numbers if you do it, it’s not impossible like some people claim.

Fair enough, but I wanted to bury those numbers. It's like if I bragged about holding the world record for picking up the most trash off the ground and putting it in my mouth. This guy's claimed number needs to be perceived the same way, but his subs probably think he's banging models. It's not a feat nor does the effort deserve respect. It's weird. and you know he did some creepy and shadey shit to supposedly get there if he even had the amount of energy and drive to and one can only imagine the smell. I even read about this guy and literally half his colleagues say he hired a bunch of escorts too and is an alcoholic. In reality, guys actually building a decent lifestyle and getting beautiful women do not pull close to those numbers, not even a percentage. I live in Russia and am married now and dated quite a few women here before, got very well accustomed to beautiful women, I know the numbers here. You do not pull 4-5 beauties consistently a month anywhere as a healthy normie, at least not consistently. It's unsustainable. 

Edited November 14, 2025 by Lyubov

[Schizophonia]

Denmo’s channel also got deleted because he filmed a girl giving him a blowjob or something like that 10 years ago.

[Miguel1]

14 hours ago, nerdspeak said:

Yeah and that was in the West. Now imagine being a well-off Westerner in Ukraine, Russia, or Brazil. There are guys who got into PUA in the peak RSD years,  retired in their 30s and dedicate themselves only to this for 10-15 years and never evolve past it. It’s the main focus in their lives. 

Pathetic? Yes. Fun for a few years? Yes, although I’m glad I got out of it and didn’t become one of them. 

Certainly dedicating your whole life into pursuing sex is the most pathetic way to live life. I see it very clearly now.

I can't believe how excited I used to be chasing sex. I didn't see the level of manipulation I was doing, not even close. I rationalized to myself that this is for the best of her, as she will get an amazing experience from my seduction. Playing into a girl's unconsciousness and lower development and manipulating that mechanism to chase me.

As my manipulation (seduction) continues, and she develops feelings, I will have to hurt her by cutting her off or keep manipulating her to stay in my circle by leading her on. Oftentimes it was the latter.

The worst part is the amount of lying I was doing to myself.

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This turned into a bit of an articulation opportunity for myself. Will keep it short:

When I was younger, I was seeing girls age 18-23. These girls are not only more attractive by far, but also has less baggage from previous relationships (that they haven't fully processed) and they don't have damage done from 10 years of corporate life.

I haven't dated for 5 years (was in a long-term relationship) but I started dating recently again, and I had hoped that meeting older people 27-32 etc, I would find more mature people. And yes, certainly they are more mature - but they are definitely also more damaged. They also have much more pressure to push things forward faster. The youngsters are airheads but they were attractive to me back then as I wasn't very mature myself and wasn't looking for depth.

At this point, the youngsters feel too much like kids to me. The people my age are more mature but the baggage they bring with it negates the relatively little maturity they have. They are also far less attractive than the youngsters as well (which I mostly don't find attractive anymore).

The middle ground is probably girls age 23-26. Perhaps 24-25, which is extremely limiting. There is really no clubs here where people around that age gather. It's either teenagers club, elders, or a club that has all age groups.

Also, my willingness to lie is so dramatically less than it used to be. At the same time, and more importantly, my self-awareness of seeing myself lying is obnoxiously higher.

I am kinda at a crossroads. Perhaps, this is a good opportunity to take a big step towards transcending sex, and take at least a break from dating.

I would love to develop a loving and healthy romantic relationship with a conscious girl, but finding such a girl in a club? And around my age (since I dont find much older women attractive)?

Well, that's a mathematical problem I have yet to solve, despite trying my best.

Edited November 15, 2025 by Miguel1

[Raze]

Alex from playing with fire had a deleted stream where he exposed John admitting to paying prostitutes in texts then later claiming they were “lays” on video. He also interviewed a student who said John had absolutely zero standards.

The lay count may be real, but that’s because he’s paying for most of it and just sleeps with anyone.

[Raze]

12 hours ago, How to be wise said:

I wonder if that is the reason why he has the biggest lay count of all the dating coaches, because women are attracted to low character?

It’s one thing to be attracted to a charismatic bad boy.

John is straight up creepy and unsettling. I can barely stand to watch a video with him. No way he’s attracting based on that

[Raze]

10 hours ago, nerdspeak said:

 

In Kyiv there was a black British guy who routinely pulled 3 times in a day. But he was a genetic freak, combination of extremely high sex drive and extremely high self-confidence. Has been interviewed by social scientists because he’s such an outlier. 

Link?

10 hours ago, nerdspeak said:

Agree he would lie, and probably does, but 1,000 lay count or whatever is not that impressive in itself if you’re a professional PUA and have moderate standards. If you’re moderately handsome and okay sleeping with average girls, and your entire job is chasing women, 4-5 pulls a week is doable especially in developing countries (and he was going to such places) with only moderate effort. 

 Ukraine is an easy mode country. Most PUA’s are located in the US, UK or Canada, 
Its not normal for PUA’s to have lay counts in the 1000’s. If you are picky at all and spend time in relationships that won’t be the case. PUA’s aren’t all sex crazed maniacs. Quite a few actually have low sex drives.

 

Edited November 15, 2025 by Raze

[Leo Gura]

43 minutes ago, Raze said:

It’s one thing to be attracted to a charismatic bad boy.

John is straight up creepy and unsettling. I can barely stand to watch a video with him. No way he’s attracting based on that

I have seen John game in person. He gets liquored up and then his game is good. Girls do respond well to him. I have seen hot girls attracted to him.

[joeyi99]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I have seen John game in person. He gets liquored up and then his game is good. Girls do respond well to him. I have seen hot girls attracted to him.

I can also attest to this whilst attending his bootcamp back in 2018

[Oppositionless]

I just want one woman to marry but ego wants to feel like it earned it so it wants to rack up the numbers despite the heart not being in it.

[Leo Gura]

John is very tall. He's at least 6'4". He makes me look short. He is the tallest guy in the club. He has a masculine look. So it is attractive. He's also very pushy.

The thing I never liked about his game is that it was all based on alcohol to build state and verbals. He doesn't teach the techniques of sober verbal game, how to be funny, etc.

The constant alcohol was ruining his health and it was not sustainable, but guys like John do not care about things like sustianability. They are opportunists. They mine a thing until it burns to the ground. Which is what John did with RSD, then with the entire city of Vegas, and now with YouTube.

I can only imagine how toxic his relationships are. It is not something to aspire to. You will ruin your life this way.

John treats YouTube the way he treats women and male clients. How you do one thing is how you do everything.

Edited November 15, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Pudgey]

A controversial take based on my experience: 

Pro: 

• His course (Occam's Razor, specifically) is better than majority of RSD PUA courses. It's logical and pragmatic and doesn't give fluff. 
• His layout could be a lie, however: John Anthony is a sex addict and built his entire lifestyle around sex. His lay count is high, regardless. 
• John is not a creep, but very controversial and sociopathic. No offense: Majority of guys here are creeps by the simple fact that you are talking about woman rather than getting laid. Getting laid = anti-creep. 
• There is a part of him that is very scientific and fact-based (he's hardcore objective despite the ego-issues). 
• His advice is very helpful and he's one of reasons I've taken TRT and learned about Maca root (libido). His dating advice is easy to follow and far better than people give him credit for. The reason for his: no one here bothered to even try his course and judging soley based on his ego. As mentioned above: he's very scientific and objective. His Occam's razor course, for example, is not bashing RSD and purely result-driven. 
• very controversial: some of his critique of other PUA coaches are more objective than what he's given credit for. He has better advice than a vast majority of YT PUA coaches than what he's given credit for. 

Justification if we assume 1k laycount is real: 

• If we assume he achieved such laycount: it would have came from online dating and being a sex addict: John had multiple phones and Tinder accounts (as well as other dating apps) and spent thousands on boosts and advertisements, professional photography and treated online dating as a job/marketing tool due to his sex addiction. Once dating app impressions fatigued in one state, he would travel elsewhere. Example: John most likely had over 100 Tinder accounts with a avg spend of at least 1k each per account across several years: that's $500-1.6k per month on Tinder alone. We are talking about an extreme sex addict that would do anything to get laid: it's similar to a extreme gambling addiction. He treats dating/sex like a marketing funnel (lead magnet, follow up chains and lead tracking) - he has no emotional intelligence and willing to do anything for high-volume game. 
   

Note: Most likely, it's heavily exaggerated, but it's still very high. 

Cons: 

• Very egotistical: he's popular trashing RSD and built his base doing so, especially when it comes to RSD Tyler. If he didn't have such a high ego, he would be a very good coach. 
• He used to be a heavy alcoholic: there is videos of him being drunk and weird on the streets. 
• He used to back controversial characters, such as Andrew Tate before going against him. This was his new RSD Tyler. 
• He goes against anyone that critiques him and willing to go against his friends for simply associating with other dating coaches he disagrees with. He's done this with a friend that did Tinder dating strategies. 
• I've never bought his new course, but they are very deceptive (AI photography) and portrays high-value for online dating. But they do work. 
• Has Narcissism issues: he needs validation of his laycount and/or how good of a coach he is
• He's slowly becoming what he bashing RSD for: attracting high-volume of men to create a PUA cash cow. 
• Sex addict: his addiction is equivalent to gamblers who spends thousands on their addiction per month and willing to cashout their savings. He has built an entire lifestyle around sex and manipulating woman/online dating platforms. 

 

Final thoughts: A high-level sex addict with a scientific, objective and result-driven approach to game that gets countered by ego, anti-social behavior and narcissism. His Occam's Razor course is objective and result-driven, but his personality and ego is his downfall. He's turning into a self-loathing RSD cash cow, but still has game and golden nugget advice to listen to. 


note: spelling/grammar issues

Edited November 15, 2025 by Pudgey

[Leo Gura]

Certainly much of the technical aspects of game he talks about is sound and useful. I learned useful technique stuff from him.

With pickup, you have to get good at taking the raw techniques -- which are highly effective -- while ditching all the corrupt behavior surrounding it.

Edited November 15, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Oppositionless said:

I just want one woman to marry but ego wants to feel like it earned it so it wants to rack up the numbers despite the heart not being in it.

I think it's important to explore more deeply the logic you're operating off of.

Why would racking up numbers of sexual partners "earn" marriage... or the worthiness to marry?

Is it because you see women as possessing some magical power to validate, notarize, or give blessing your existence and worthiness through bestowing sex upon you? If so, that's a whole lot of power to project onto women that just doesn't exist there.

Do you see sex with women as something that will fix shame and self-worth issues?

Or is it something else?

Knowing the answer to that is the first step to unburdening yourself from pursuing what doesn't resonate with you.

[Raze]

59 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Certainly much of the technical aspects of game he talks about is sound and useful. I learned useful technique stuff from him.

With pickup, you have to get good at taking the raw techniques -- which are highly effective -- while ditching all the corrupt behavior surrounding it.

His technique is almost all lifted from early rsd and others. Alex from PWF even revealed texts of him admitting to stealing ideas from James Marshall. 

Earlier in the thread someone was bashing Todd and praising John for saying to “treat her like you already slept with her”, ironic since I remember Todd specifically saying this in an old video before John even had a channel.

Edited November 15, 2025 by Raze

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have seen John game in person. He gets liquored up and then his game is good. Girls do respond well to him. I have seen hot girls attracted to him.

I heard he pays some prostitute to pretend to be his friend for preselection 

[Raze]

He currently claims over 2K lays btw.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

His technique is almost all lifted from early rsd and others. Alex from PWF even revealed texts of him admitting to stealing ideas from James Marshall. 

There is not much new in game. Everyone took ideas from others and naturals.

Owen stole the techniques of naturals who he mirrored like a monkey.

I talked to the natural who Owen stole techniques from. He was very upset at Owen for not crediting him.

"Hand of God" was one of those stolen technques.

Edited November 15, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is not much new in game. Everyonr took ideas from others and naturals.

Owen stole the techniques of natures who he mirrored like a monkey.

Codifying what naturals do and saying that’s what you’re doing is not the same as lifting advice from other PUAs and claim if you made it up while bashing the PUA you stole it from.

Modeling the success of others is actually a intelligent and effective way to learn and requires skill when they often don’t know why they’re successful. 

Edited November 15, 2025 by Raze

[Leo Gura]

@Raze If only you knew the stuff Owen stole.

Once again, you should stop expecting these PUAs to have integrity.

Edited November 15, 2025 by Leo Gura