Is Sadguru's Inner Engineering Course worth it?

[TheSelf]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

You are wrong unless you want to quantify that statement.

At this point I have quite a lot of experience managing my own psyche, and all these practices did (which I've tried many) was to enhance the stillness and wellbeing of my mind.

I can understand why you claim such a thing, but the dangers could be there with extreme potent practices and for those practicing them while not purified to certain needed extend.

Just 20 min daily conscious breathing is nothing.

Edited Wednesday at 05:24 PM by TheSelf

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, TheSelf said:

Just 20 min daily conscious breathing is nothing.

You would be surprised just how some normal humans cannot handle this. 

They are so repressed and stuck in the rat wheel, that stopping all stimulation for 20 minutes to breath causes a lot of emotional shit to come up and overwhelm them.

In fact it is openly known meditation is not recommended if there is any sort of emotional stuff running amok inside. And just about everyone I know is so repressed... 

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You would be surprised just how some normal humans cannot handle this. 

They are so repressed and stuck in the rat wheel, that stopping all stimulation for 20 minutes to breath causes a lot of emotional shit to come up and overwhelm them.

In fact it is openly known meditation is not recommended if there is any sort of emotional stuff running amok inside. And just about everyone I know is so repressed... 

Yeah you dont even need to meditate - being bored is enough to be the scariest shit sometimes, for the exact reasons you just layed down.

Edited Wednesday at 07:28 PM by zurew

[TheSelf]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You would be surprised just how some normal humans cannot handle this. 

Yeah, not really surprising though, as this should've been taught to us when we were kids, in schools...

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

They are so repressed and stuck in the rat wheel, that stopping all stimulation for 20 minutes to breath causes a lot of emotional shit to come up and overwhelm them.

Yeah, I know someone who tells me I hate anything that gives me peace... unbelievable.

But the problem is not what you experience in meditation, people dont quite understand the simplicity of it.

It's not about stopping thoughts or fighting the mind or doing anything at all to have any kind of experience (like peace)

It's just about recognizing your hiden nature as awareness by just simply being and doing nothing about anything...

If it's an intense shitty experience with lots of emotions comes up, let it be, you observe, you watch yourself watching it! 

If sleepiness comes, you watch...

If boredom comes, you watch...

It's simply giving up and not reacting, even if you couldn't, you watch! 

It's possible for anyone IMO, depends on how well you understand it and know its benefits for you and how much you willing to work for it.

Edited Wednesday at 07:47 PM by TheSelf

[Ishanga]

Regarding why he shares what he shares.. My take is that for the newbies he does things slowly, which is wise, and as well there is a liability issue nowadays, he doesn't want to get sued or have court cases saying this or that happened because of what he shares, this is my take on it.. He keeps the advanced stuff, like what the Bramacharia's do (I have no idea what practices they do) to those, and those that go to the Sadhanapada programs which are like 7mths of straight Sadhana practices and volunteering...

Also, he has stated that he has only shared about 1% of what he knows, and he isn't just about the IE program and Shambhavi, his whole purpose was the Dylanalinga Temple they built and created, he's done more temples since then, this drains him allot from what I heard, so that is another part of him that is unique, Osho never did this...

[Ishanga]

5 hours ago, TheSelf said:

At this point I have quite a lot of experience managing my own psyche, and all these practices did (which I've tried many) was to enhance the stillness and wellbeing of my mind.

I can understand why you claim such a thing, but the dangers could be there with extreme potent practices and for those practicing them while not purified to certain needed extend.

Just 20 min daily conscious breathing is nothing.

The dangers of doing Kriya and Kundalini Yoga are extreme if You do it without the guidance of a Guru or Experienced person, so that is also one reason why he has toned them down for new ppl I would imagine...There's enough crazies out there, don't need anymore that are really sincere on the spiritual path!!

[OBEler]

@Ishanga any news about his alien energy encounter on the Lake Manasarovar, Tibet near Mount Kailash?

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Ishanga any news about his alien energy encounter on the Lake Manasarovar, Tibet near Mount Kailash?

I haven't heard much other than they are going to be releasing some more private videos, stuff that is from more closed door meetings and events sometime soon...

Here's a little clip..

 

[TheSelf]

28 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

The dangers of doing Kriya and Kundalini Yoga are extreme if You do it without the guidance of a Guru

If you are a fool, yes you'll recklessly play with fire.

But if you are a genuine seeker, you own consciousness is your true guidance or guru.

Edited Wednesday at 10:57 PM by TheSelf

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

If you are a fool, yes you'll recklessy play with fire.

But if you are a genuine seeker, you own consciousness is your true guidance or guru.

Lol, fools rule this world and run rampant all over it:)

I think it is wise a choice how he is doing it.  Humanity is in big trouble, if things don't change soon I don't give us much hope to make it past 100yrs from now...

Edited Wednesday at 10:58 PM by Ishanga

[TheSelf]

15 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Lol, fools rule this world and run rampant all over it:)

Like I'm so happy because of some big hearted people willing to share their wisdom and knowledge publicly I've learnt meditation, Kriya yoga, self-enquiry and all these valuable stuff years ago, otherwise I was deep into darkness and depression...

And this is my true wish of heart to help someone who is in need too so that the light of consciousness emmits to all unconsciousness allows the soul breath and enjoy one's self be freed from suffering. Giving it back

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:13 PM by TheSelf

[TheSelf]

9 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I think it is wise a choice how he is doing it.  Humanity is in big trouble, if things don't change soon I don't give us much hope to make it past 100yrs from now...

I understand it, totally.

But knowledges being shared to public help too.

But his strategy totally make sense concidering large crowd of people he is teaching this stf.

[The Blind Sage]

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@Leo Gura Completely agree on your previous criticisms of Sadhguru (refusing to acknowledge that he's a freak leading to false expectations, arrogance, etc) 

However, hard disagree with your take on the inner engineering program. From what I remember in previous discussions, you only took the preliminary IE-Online, and did not complete the IE-Completion - the in-person 2nd half of the course where they teach the actual practice Shambhavi Mahamudra Kriya

I'd happily concede that the online lectures (whatever you listened to in IE-online) are for normies, even if I personally found value in them. But to say that the entire program is 'a pure waste of time' is quite disappointing when you haven't even learned the kriya, the piece that's equal to 80/90% of the courses value

Now, if I'm mistaken, and you have in fact learned the kriya; I'd genuinely like to know - why did you find it a pure waste of time? It's given me and others tangible results and is far more potent than your average awareness paths like vipassana, vedanta, etc. Especially considering that you yourself are an advocate of kriya yoga Leo. In fact, what actually led me to take the program in the first place was that I was getting inconsistent results from JC stevens book. It's been 6 years since and the only reason I've taken more programs is because they've worked so well. Which is why I'm surprised at your take

 

To be clear, I have gratitude towards Sadhguru because he's empowered me in a profound way, how could I not be grateful for that? But make no mistake, I have no loyalty. This work is about me and my growth, nothing else, certainly not another person or an organization. Should we ever discover immoral acts such as financial/sexual/etc abuse I'd have no qualms in publicly condemning him. But, I'd be a fool to dismiss the practices

For context, it wouldn't surprise me if I left Ishas methods someday for something like ryan kurczaks lineage. But for now, I still feel the alignment so we shall see. However, I seriously doubt I'll ever stop practicing Hatha Yoga taught at Isha, it's fucking incredible. Most people are not capable of serious kriya yoga, or any other meditative process for that matter. They just don't have the bodies capable for it (myself included to a large extent, though Im actively working on it). This is what authentic hatha yoga does, it builds the fundamental integrity & malleability of the energy body so that when you do attempt kriya yoga you'll see results

@enchantedThe quote is from the "Sadhguru on Dr k" thread. I think you might find it useful.

From my personal experience, I can say with conviction that Shambhavi is not a joke - it's not as sophisticated as the kriyas you will learn from the textbook on the booklist, but it's still highly potent. My experience varies day to day, certain days when I open my eyes after the kriya I think 'wtf just happened?' Because after several years it's gotten to the point where it's occasionally implosive, I can feel my mind being rewired through it. For the 1st 6 months I barely felt a tingle in my 3rd eye area. These days during a good session (happens at least 1x per week) it feels like all the attention across my body is being sucked into the point between my eyebrows like a magnet - implosive. And despite this, I feel the ceiling for this practice is still far beyond the horizon.

If you commit to learning to execute the kriyas with perfect precision, you'll eventually experience what I speak of, I can't guarantee how long it'll take you, could be shorter, could be longer (took a few years for me).
Each time you perform a kriya, be like an athlete training for competition, refining and sharpening his skill to the millimeter.

TLDR - The course is worth it 100%. Skipping it and go straight to similar schools that's mentioned on the booklist is a valid option for many, but I still recommend it because of how much value its given me. If you have other priorities in your life besides spiritual growth that need tending such as your life purpose/career or dating & relationships but still want to include a legitimate spiritual process in your life, this is the perfect practice imo. High potentcy, high ceiling and low time investment (30 minutes per session). The hatha yoga programs from Isha on the other hand are next level. It's like the mahamudra practice (from the booklist) but on steroids. For me, this is the most valuable thing at Isha - the Hatha yoga, do not underestimate it.
Read the last paragraph from my quote for a little more detail.

Edited Friday at 07:11 AM by The Blind Sage
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