Is Sadguru's Inner Engineering Course worth it?

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Carl-RichardYou dont its better to not use it.

Reply to the unnessesary insult by the Mod Carl saying I have no brain.

I deleted it 3 seconds after I posted it  I even said I was sorry below. I'm sorry.

But yeah, you don't really need anything. But you can do things more efficiently or less efficiently. Regardless, it's all God.

Edited 8 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Ishanga]

10 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

@Ishanga Could the program possibly more potent than Kriya Yoga? I know it all depends on your level of mastery but anyway.

Or it's just some energetic uplifting program that alows one to experience some blissful state?

 

I think he has toned down the Shambhavi Practice, from what I understand he did something to it so that ppl practicing it don't get Siddhis from it, so its a powerful practice, and its geared towards general Wellbeing, but he has said any of the Isha programs can take one all the way if they choose it, their Hatha Yoga program is world class from what I understand, many long standing yoga teachers have gone thru their 18 week program and said its the best out there, and one can go all the way with just that, so it does depend on your intentions and intensity of practice and natural gifts for it...

The actual program is thorough, its not about entertainment or fluffy, very thorough, he goes over in detail the things covered in the 7 class videos and other things, and of course there is lots of Q&A and just being in his presence is transformative for sure...

Sadhguru has stated that most ppl are not  strong enough to go thru strict Sadhana practices and strict Kriya Yoga practices, its not just about muscles strength but other sorts of strength and such, we're pretty weak on many levels it seems!

Edited 8 hours ago by Ishanga

[TheSelf]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

so its a powerful practice, and its geared towards general Wellbeing,

If he toned down it then I assume this is not a powerful practice, definitely nowhere near potency of Kriya Yoga.

General wellbeing, I understand that people who just look to have happy life or something would help them.

[Leo Gura]

Maybe the IE program changed? When I took it years ago it was a single video that was a nothing-burger.

[Ishanga]

25 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

If he toned down it then I assume this is not a powerful practice, definitely nowhere near potency of Kriya Yoga.

General wellbeing, I understand that people who just look to have happy life or something would help them.

Powerful in what sense? Many have given testimonies towards it, I think most just want general Well Being, but I think the practice itself can take You all the way if that is how You want to use it.  Shambhavi is Kriya Yoga from what I understand, there is an Initiation or how he puts it more of a Consecration process is taking place, we also learn Suriya Namaskar as a warm up practice too... 

In the end it comes down to the individuals intentions, if it is truly Enlightenment that they want they can get it from the IE program regimen for sure, all of the programs I think are set up this way, but he does have a Bramachari program too, lots apply but only a few get in each year...

[Ishanga]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Maybe the IE program changed? When I took it years ago it was a single video that was a nothing-burger.

For the online program there are 7 - 1 1/2 hr long videos on various topics, plus all the Q&A shorts they have available too, overall probably over 100 vids, and now they initiate you into the Shambhavi practice online too, when I did it they didn't do that yet...

[ryoko]

Talk about keeping the dogma alive..

[ryoko]

This is dark stuff. He's energy harvesting, from the practicioners. It's fine if it didn't come with this nonsense. But it's not. This shit's mental. 

 

 

[bobbyward]

Done it in 2021, I never watched the videos just let them play. I only enrolled to get initiated into shambhavi mahamudra.

It's a great practice for getting significant gains in happiness and overall wellbeing. I feel a bit of bliss from it, from time to time. 

Iv done all their programmes, Shakti chalana kriya is their best practice in my opinion. Which is done as part of the shoonya programme.

Isha's practices are the best thing I have came across for improving your day to day experience.

Edited 5 hours ago by bobbyward

[ryoko]

I've been in close proximity with a volunteer. And his everyday rituals. There's this pledge, I forget the wording.. "...I will strive my best to fulfil Sadhguru's vision.." more words but it ends like that. My reaction to that was utter contempt. He worships his guru with a photo and some Yantra and other usual stuffs like burning camphor, wearing bhasma. Not against any of that, I get it, rituals are a powerful way to invoke certain stuff. This is a cult. 

That's when I got into thinking what's the point of Shambhavi. I started connecting the dots. He mentions Shambhavi as "she's a star"..like she's a person, coincidence? I think not. In one of what Sadhguru claims to be his past life where he was a snake guy, his girlfriend's name was Shambhavi, and people killed him with his own snakes for that love affair. That was his first experience into awareness while dying. There's so much crazy stuff than the eye meets. Shambhavi is like a temple that once you're initiated, it's there, the point of your daily practices is to clean the temple, take care of it. It's borrowed bliss. This is quite a common theme in the Hindu culture with local deities. You're submitting something of yours for something in return. 

And the next is, knowing a community of people who are dedicated to volunteering, and doing the practices. That's where everything broke for me. The way he frames this. He's selling you bliss. I'm not saying it cannot work, but what it will do is destroy your possibility for material growth in big ways, unless you're an asshole who can use this to extract the preferred hormones by submission and use it as a cushion to do horrible things, basic hierarchy we find all over nature and human cultures, work a shitty job which pays well, cope with the money. All spiritual practices have an element to them which destroys your material nature if you're serious about it. I do agree with him that bliss or well being is not something that should be a goal, it should be the default. Had I not known these people intimately I wouldn't have quit this whole thing. 

Edited 4 hours ago by ryoko

[Ramasta9]

I've met real spiritual teachers that actually made a noticeable shift in my consciousness, just by being in their presence for a few days. 

One example was about five years ago. I met a native man and his wife living deep in the jungles of SE Asia by a waterfall. They lived their entire lives in a small hut and 100% off the land, which was a tropical jungle full of fruits, coconuts and rich greens, they were known by the locals as the spiritual healers, and that's where I felt what truly living freely tasted like.

I never felt more amazing, living of wild-food and fruits, bathing at the waterfalls (basically baptism every morning), helping with the plants and building things, growing food, it was something very few westerners get a taste of in its fullness. The  two elders radiated the most peaceful and loving energy I never felt from any other modern guru or teacher or spiritualist I've come across, especially those businessmen-preacher types online. 

They didn't speak much but when they did it felt like music, as if the land itself was speaking and working through them, i felt crystalizing vibrations throughout my body from their peaceful offerings. The man chanted a few words to my heart and released years of pent up fire in my body that I had a fever for 5 days straight afterwards, which was very painful and yet blissful at the same time. He told me he helped release stagnant energy that i had unconsciously suppressed for a long time, mostly due to trauma and unconscious abuse. I asked why i couldn't notice or do this myself, he said resonance.

While i had the fever, the wife, who had the hands of a mother goddess, massaged me with coconut oil and clove while chanting mantras and helped me recover. It was the most healing massage I ever had, this moment I knew these people were (the real deal), and how they were living, it made total sense, totally immersed and in harmony with nature. 

I have spent maybe over $10,000 on massages and this was free and worth more than all of them combined. I actually felt physical shifts in my body and spine and how my walk, stance, posture, mind, everything aligned for me after that. I found this place because i was getting tired of booking hotels and i decided to buy a camping tent and camp and save money.

And they offered these services freely to anyone who visited as part of their service, and they understood that nature provides all that we need if we know how to live in harmony with her. They saw no difference from god and nature and that was beautiful to witness. Although they did welcome donations, which I did give them, and occasionally do receive help from locals at times, they rarely require it, and they showed me a way of living that changed everything for me, that is totally unknown to the modern world. The only thing that resembles this is the Anastasia books of cedar trees.

All in all my experience has been like this: The greatest things I have discovered in life, almost always came free or at a very low cost. All the other stuff and expensive things and lengthy courses and such never provided anything for me, rather only repeated what I already always knew and felt like i wasted my time and energy.

I personally get nothing from Sadguru, Dalai lama, Tolle and many of these modern "spiritualists". First and foremost, they are for a system that's "distorted" in its very "essence" to begin with. Promoting the jab, rejecting nature and psychedelics, that says enough to me. That's not a true definition of a yogi, a yogi would never go against nature.

The only spiritual teacher I ever resonated with was Osho, because he was breaking every single man-made illusion and speaking the truth as it is, not sugar coating anything or shaping and shifting around shadows-plays, rather simply laying it all out on the table and saying look, here's the mirror, face it.

 

 

 

 

Edited 51 minutes ago by Ramasta9

[ryoko]

Coming to Osho, I do recommend his Book of Secrets as a valid path. He's not gatekeeping siddhis like Sadhguru is. 

Vigyan Bhairav Tantra is a great source, to pick a practice out of 112 which suits you well. 

It's not like these yogic practices but more like methods to practice awareness and they're quite simple. Definitely not mental like Shambhavi. 

Or just do Qi Gong: Yi Jin Jing, Ba Duan Jin

Or even hit the gym. Do cardio. Don't listen to Sadhguru and his cult. 

Edited 4 hours ago by ryoko

[ryoko]

Anyways fuck bliss. Where's your rage, anger, fear, anxiety, geed, lust, sloth, jealousy, sadness. We need all of these. 
I suggest reading "Laughing in the face of chaos" by Ruda Iande. The guy's very mature, and he doesn't bias you towards bliss or feel good. Some really good pointers on finding your values, very realistic. 

Edited 2 hours ago by ryoko

[Hojo]

@ryoko He states openly he knows exactly how to manipulate people and create karma for them. and he does it on regular. He knows how human body works and uses it to manipulate.

I remeber him saying to interviewer i can say one word to you and your mine.

He knows and has a personal agenda. A guru knows nobody exists and they don't exist but for some reason he has a personal agenda.

I don't see any of his followers here writhing in bliss like they claim. The ones in his videos are doing it because of him not themselves.

There are 100 reasons why you should trust Leo gura over sadhguru. Leo is trying to help via deconstruction sadhguru never deconstruct its always vague anecdotes.

He says he has a reputation to hold but also says he dosent exist. Which is it? There are so many contradictions in what he says he is constantly contradicting himself. It could be on purpose I don't know.

He is hanging out with elites all day.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[ryoko]

Leo's not coming from a place of "I have to make these humans my minions"

Sadhguru is shady af. Just look at the posts in this thread alone. You can see how he's claimed so many people already. 

[Hojo]

@ryoko yea every other guru is doing their own thing and people come to them sadhguru is the only one saying come to me. And going out to search for people. I fall for it but I saw what it was doing to me. Its like schizophrenia all over again.

I could see him in my head everytime I was doing something he said not to do. Thats not me. That manipulation.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[ryoko]

And yeah, the bliss thing is a gimmick. It wears off the moment you start thinking independently and break out of the conformity. You can rack up records of how blissful these people are when you're under the effect of delusions and show it off. None of that is sustainable.

The people I've found in that community are some of the most miserable people ever. Sure, they have this clown face when they're in their guru sucking mode. I've seen them and lived with them enough to understand how this is evil. The positioning and manipulation, it's beyond shady.

I will tell you this, some of the most blissful moments in my life is because of that thing. But I've paid the price for it dearly. I'm so glad I got out of it in a matter of months.. May be I've sat with it for a year at max, but that's it. 

Edited 2 hours ago by ryoko

[Hojo]

@ryoko he said when he dies he's going to come back and take over a 30 years olds body.

[Hojo]

@ryokoHe will sneak in when you have a spiritual awakening and take over cause you have no idea what happened and need guidance. He does guide and provide useful information but something else is up. Its not bad for falling for it but its good to realize what is happening.

[ryoko]

11 minutes ago, Hojo said:

when he dies he's going to come back and take over a 30 years olds body.

source?