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Serious personal development forces you to be fake or treat people like children

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10 minutes ago, Emerald said:

It's clear that the OPs perspective comes from a place of polarization, judgment, and resistance to the way that the average person is.

More assumptions.

Be open to the possibility that you may be misjudging a perspective on the grounds that goes against your notions of what spirituality and personal development looks like. Ideals are ideals .. meaningless at the end of the day.

13 minutes ago, Emerald said:

It's his way of hierarchically differentiating himself from the plebeian hordes of average non-truthseeking people who simply live their lives.

OP is not saying any of this .. these are your claims. 

Hard truth is some of us are more conscious than others. Reality is not fair and equal in this way, but it is what it is

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2 hours ago, Emerald said:

Be careful not to use your inner work as a means to feel superior to other people.

You are not better than the average person because you're into personal development and spirituality. It doesn't even guarantee that you're wiser than others.

Amen to that!


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3 hours ago, Emerald said:

Be careful not to use your inner work as a means to feel superior to other people.

You are not better than the average person because you're into personal development and spirituality. It doesn't even guarantee that you're wiser than others.

I needed to see this so bad. Reflecting on my life and comparing it to others I'm actually the stupidest person I know and although this forum and Leo's wisdom has given me some nice theoretical knowledge, I'm no special. I just happened to stumble upon someone's work that I can now parrot arrogantly. Which is quite no remarkable achievement, it just proves that I can listen to videos and read. The real world value that I produce by having this theoretical knowledge that Leo instilled in my brain is basically 0. Other people who haven't done a day of inner work in their life fare much better in life than I do.

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3 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

I needed to see this so bad. Reflecting on my life and comparing it to others I'm actually the stupidest person I know and although this forum and Leo's wisdom has given me some nice theoretical knowledge, I'm no special. I just happened to stumble upon someone's work that I can now parrot arrogantly. Which is quite no remarkable achievement, it just proves that I can listen to videos and read. The real world value that I produce by having this theoretical knowledge that Leo instilled in my brain is basically 0. Other people who haven't done a day of inner work in their life fare much better in life than I do.

Almost everyone passes through a phase like this :)

When you begin to apply all the knowledge you are accumulating, you stop even thinking about others. You won't even judge them. There will be 'That person isn't for me' or 'I wonder when they will learn that part of life?'

But one great thing? You are still starting from more foundation than most! Execution is always the part people stumble with. Execution and the wisdom of compromise.


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10 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

I needed to see this so bad. Reflecting on my life and comparing it to others I'm actually the stupidest person I know and although this forum and Leo's wisdom has given me some nice theoretical knowledge, I'm no special. I just happened to stumble upon someone's work that I can now parrot arrogantly. Which is quite no remarkable achievement, it just proves that I can listen to videos and read. The real world value that I produce by having this theoretical knowledge that Leo instilled in my brain is basically 0. Other people who haven't done a day of inner work in their life fare much better in life than I do.

It's good to come to that realization. And like Natasha mentioned, most people go through that.

Prior to having my YouTube channel, I had similar thoughts before. It was like, "If only people that I know can see how highly developed and wise my perspective is." And there was a judgment of other people for not being on the same wavelength.

But once I had my YouTube channel, I was able to interact with a lot of other people who had similar interests. And I was able to trade that sense of superiority for real community. 

And it made me realize that a lot of my tendency to differentiate myself came from loneliness and unmet social needs... but also as a coping strategy to make myself feel better than others.

But talking with a bunch of other people who are on this wavelength, just makes me realize that it's just another way to be human among thousands of other ways to be human.


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4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Honestly, this is my experience:

If you are judging something outside you - some behaviour in others as stupid, bad, frustrating or find yourself having a reaction - it is because you are disowning and rejecting that WITHIN YOU.

To make a judgement about something is to say 'I do not have that' which immediately prevents you from acknowledging whatever that is, in you. If you did acknowledge it, you would dislike/hate yourself. And you DO have some element of what you dislike externally, in you. Always. You are just unconscious to it, and it is in indicator you have more work to do regarding self awareness and integration.

The marker for growth here is discernment. You can look at behaviour and say 'That is negative, and lead to bad outcomes'. Discernment. Whereas judging is disowning that behaviour and denigrating it in some way. Having a feeling reaction of aversion. As you grow, you will find yourself applying discernment and less judgement.

It can also operate in reverse - you see a trait/behaviour in others you love that you do not have. You do have it, you just do not see it in yourself. You have disowned it. It is relegated to the unconscious.

Discernment > judgement. Important distinction.

Beautiful, thanks for that!

 


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1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Almost everyone passes through a phase like this :)

When you begin to apply all the knowledge you are accumulating, you stop even thinking about others. You won't even judge them. There will be 'That person isn't for me' or 'I wonder when they will learn that part of life?'

But one great thing? You are still starting from more foundation than most! Execution is always the part people stumble with. Execution and the wisdom of compromise.

Yes but I feel like the moment one fancies being above or higher up the spiral than others it is the moment all this work is basically done in vain. We must understand that just because we have done some inner work or know some conceptual things that others don't know, we aren't more special or more important. Relativity teaches us that my life isn't more important than the life of an ant in the eyes of the universe. This means that if I'm on par with an ant when it comes to the value I bring to the universe, I'm also on par with fellow humans that haven't studied actualized.org. Also feeling superior to others renders the whole essence of Leo's teachings useless. Us feeling superior and arrogant to others, us deeming others mindless morons is the equivalent of Christians that preach love and tolerance and then they go home and beat their wife and children.

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8 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Bro who did you talk to from our country? Who is this "influencer" who has top tier knowledge on politics? From my experience no one from our country even remotely knows what they are talking about when it comes to politics.

 

Tudor Dunks. He is the best I could find. He kills it in terms of economy and many other topics but I had a 2 hour plus conversation with him about masculinity and femininity and I was shocked to see he could not even understand that we have a feminine and a masculine side. He said that is sexist to call femininity for femininity. What we know here on this forum is world class, it is so rare that it is amazing. 

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@Daniel Balan Of course! I mean to convey that you shouldn't internalise any self judgement as it is a normal process for most humans - and hey! Some never make it out of that phase... 

6 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Beautiful, thanks for that!

I think you could have just faced a whole bunch of people who want to sterilize individuality and natural order. In the name of equality of outcome, over equality of opportunity.


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4 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Tudor Dunks. He is the best I could find. He kills it in terms of economy and many other topics but I had a 2 hour plus conversation with him about masculinity and femininity and I was shocked to see he could not even understand that we have a feminine and a masculine side. He said that is sexist to call feminity for femininity. What we know here on this forum is world class, it is so rare that it is amazing. 

I've watched a few videos in the past, he is indeed a cool guy and very wise man. Regarding the other aspects of his philosophy, he is good for Romania, way too good. At least he is not a far right nationalist, which encompasses 90% of all the influencers from the influencers and "experts" from our country. He is basically a Dragoș Patraru or a Silviu Faiar, a left leaning centrist. Which is something jaw dropping for the swap of shit our Romanian online informational ecosystem.


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1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Almost everyone passes through a phase like this :)

When you begin to apply all the knowledge you are accumulating, you stop even thinking about others. You won't even judge them. There will be 'That person isn't for me' or 'I wonder when they will learn that part of life?'

But one great thing? You are still starting from more foundation than most! Execution is always the part people stumble with. Execution and the wisdom of compromise.

I am more reactive to stuff and spicy, always was. There is a genetical component to this, be careful of categorising everyone based on your genetics. Just because you are calm and feminine does not mean automatically you're above those who are a bit more reactive, this is what spiritual people miss many times, they hate masculinity, frustrations etc and point it as generally bad in others. I think genetics play a role in everything. I am discerning as you said, of course I understand why people do no care about truth, it is just cool to share my thoughts :)

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2 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

I've watched a few videos in the past, he is indeed a cool guy and very wise man. Regarding the other aspects of his philosophy, he is good for Romania, way too good. At least he is not a far right nationalist, which encompasses 90% of all the influencers from the influencers and "experts" from our country. He is basically a Dragoș Patraru or a Silviu Faiar, a left leaning centrist. Which is something jaw dropping for the swap of shit our Romanian online informational ecosystem.

Indeed. This shows how backwards our country still is.

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You have a problem with women?

Sorry, that's the most troll comment I've ever written, but let's see the reaction.

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26 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

I think you could have just faced a whole bunch of people who want to sterilize individuality and natural order. In the name of equality of outcome, over equality of opportunity.

Yes, that's it. The traps of Stage Green are no joke, you can basically brainwash a whole country into this no personality conformism. It is amazing. And this is a big reason why Sweden failed so hard with immigration. They just wanted to help them but they actually do not want to live close to them. They just hang out with their old pathetic friends they met 200 years ago. It is very hard to make friends when you don't open up and show who you are, when you don't show any personality, because you are basically boring as fuck, like talking to chatgpt. They were taught early on that showing personality is not acceptable.

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21 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You have a problem with women?

Sorry, that's the most troll comment I've ever written, but let's see that reaction.

I love women, they are amazing. Those who brainwash all women to become men should burn in hell :) although poor them are forced to become men when they have less and less real men in society.

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4 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

More assumptions.

Be open to the possibility that you may be misjudging a perspective on the grounds that goes against your notions of what spirituality and personal development looks like. Ideals are ideals .. meaningless at the end of the day.

OP is not saying any of this .. these are your claims. 

Hard truth is some of us are more conscious than others. Reality is not fair and equal in this way, but it is what it is

You get it. She projects her worldview onto mine and perceives it as judgment, frustrations, underdevelopment. 

People pointing stuff about others = underdeveloped behaviour all the time

Basic hippie positivity ideology.


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3 hours ago, Emerald said:

It's good to come to that realization. And like Natasha mentioned, most people go through that.

Prior to having my YouTube channel, I had similar thoughts before. It was like, "If only people that I know can see how highly developed and wise my perspective is." And there was a judgment of other people for not being on the same wavelength.

But once I had my YouTube channel, I was able to interact with a lot of other people who had similar interests. And I was able to trade that sense of superiority for real community. 

And it made me realize that a lot of my tendency to differentiate myself came from loneliness and unmet social needs... but also as a coping strategy to make myself feel better than others.

But talking with a bunch of other people who are on this wavelength, just makes me realize that it's just another way to be human among thousands of other ways to be human.

very few people do serious development. My post is just a reminder of that. Even if I build a YT channel and talk with people and shit, I will still have the same perspective. Of course there are unmet needs in the middle, this is the core of serious work, you give up survival treats for truth. This is why people don't do the work, because they love their survival nonsense. And if I point this I am not instantly underdeveloped as you think, I am different than you, different personality, different survival situation. This conformity nonsense in spiritual community is stupid, we cannot all be Eckhart Tolles talking like we are some feminine sedated sloths. Look at Peter Ralston, I am more like that, we are not the same.

Put a spicy introvert at a table with 10 extroverts talkin about furniture and shit and see how well she/he feels. And then you judge the introvert for being frustrated or some shit. No, they are DIFFERENT.

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8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's why monks live in seclusion.

Once you are deeply conscious society has little to offer you.

I will look for cave prices in my area.


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1 hour ago, Alexop said:

I will look for cave prices in my area.

Make sure it has an oceanside view.


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10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Make sure it has an oceanside view.

Ocean view on one side and a bird's eye view of the city on the other. So you can remind yourself how superior you are to the plebs who live below.

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