Ethics of Tinder bots

[Emerald]

@Hojo These are silly perspectives that I would feel exhausted even going through the trouble to debunk them because you're clearly emotionally attached to these ideas, as you have a resistance towards women wearing make-up... and even have a resistance to the fact that women are able to attract men based on their looks in the first place.

You just can't tolerate the fact that women have that power, as it makes you feel like you're a victim to the fact that you find women attractive.

So, you are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to pretend that simply wearing make-up is equally deceptive to having AI do all of your preliminary "get to know you" conversations before the date.

But I think you should be able to think critically enough to know better on your own. And it's not my responsibility to save you from your own foolishness. So, I will end the conversation here.

[Hojo]

12 minutes ago, Emerald said:

@Hojo These are silly perspectives that I would feel exhausted even going through the trouble to debunk them because you're clearly emotionally attached to these ideas, as you have a resistance towards women wearing make-up... and even have a resistance to the fact that women are able to attract men based on their looks in the first place.

You just can't tolerate the fact that women have that power, as it makes you feel like you're a victim to the fact that you find women attractive.

So, you are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to pretend that simply wearing make-up is equally deceptive to having AI do all of your preliminary "get to know you" conversations before the date.

But I think you should be able to think critically enough to know better on your own. And it's not my responsibility to save you from your own foolishness. So, I will end the conversation here.

This entire reply is a gaslight. I have never once said anything like that. Please, something logical and coherant. This is completely made up and goes to my point that woman will just sit there and make things up. If I had a bot to speak friendlier maybe we could have a conversation irl and you see you are making up my tone in your head.

Edited 13 hours ago by Hojo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I feel like this whole argument devolves into wanting equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity.

One is clearly NOT GOOD.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

BOTS on tinder is stupid. 

It is just a way to short cut to a real life date.

JUST GO OUT AND MEET AND SAVE THE WASTED ENERGY ON BOTS. Cos deny it all you like its using compute power = power and water consumption.

May as well just delete Tinder if you have bots try to screen and do the work.

[Zen LaCroix]

Honestly ethics are personal

I would've never considered this unethical. Celebrities do this all the time. You think they personally DM all the girls they talk to? Nope

It's up to you

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Emerald

I have had this dialogue with Hojo before. You won't get anywhere - buried too deep in the unconscious. Too narrow a definition of creativity, expression and art.

[Emerald]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Emerald

I have had this dialogue with Hojo before. You won't get anywhere - buried too deep in the unconscious. Too narrow a definition of creativity, expression and art.

Yeah, I gotta just let it go.

I feel too easily responsible for trying to speak sense to someone who is clearly locked into their own perspective.

It's part of my own neuroses around feeling responsible for people. 

[Emerald]

19 minutes ago, Zen LaCroix said:

Honestly ethics are personal

I would've never considered this unethical. Celebrities do this all the time. You think they personally DM all the girls they talk to? Nope

It's up to you

Use a bit of empathy.

What if you were texting with someone and you started liking their personality and feeling a connection. And you found out they were an AI bot the whole time?

Would you like that?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Emerald said:

Yeah, I gotta just let it go.

I feel too easily responsible for trying to speak sense to someone who is clearly locked into their own perspective.

It's part of my own neuroses around feeling responsible for people. 

We share that neuroses! It infuriates me when someone exhibits a limited perspective, and I cannot alleviate them of it. Why won't they see reason? WHY! And the ironic part I recognise in myself? I become so compromised in my effort to help *I* loose reason

Stupid self awareness

[Emerald]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

We share that neuroses! It infuriates me when someone exhibits a limited perspective, and I cannot alleviate them of it. Why won't they see reason? WHY! And the ironic part I recognise in myself? I become so compromised in my effort to help *I* loose reason

Stupid self awareness

Yes. I can relate to that.

I just feel so responsible for teaching people to use basic empathy and to use common sense.

I think it's mostly because I feel a lot of fear around people holding harmful nonsensical and unempathetic perspectives, as I know that society is plastic and can pick them up and normalize them. And then it, if that happens, madness gets seen as normal... andit becomes EVERYBODY'S problem.

(Gestures vaguely at everything) Hence Exhibit A.

So, I'm trying to avert global crisis EVERY SINGLE TIME I'm trying to get someone to see sense.

And it doesn't work. And it's exhausting. But it's hard to let go of the "Let me teach them out of it!"

But the reality is that it is what it is. It's not my responsibility to prevent it... even though it is problem (and all of our problems) to deal with it.

[pablo_aka_god]

Make up is not deceptive IF she will wear the same makeup when she goes on dates with you, if she has a 5K production on her profile pics but she meets you wearing a 20$ production. she deceived you.

IMO AI Bots are deceptive at the same level as when you date a woman that looks much worse than her pictures.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by pablo_aka_god
typo

[pablo_aka_god]

Deception is selling one product and the client getting a different/inferior quality product. it's orange stage marketing

[pablo_aka_god]

If rather than doing the chat autonomously the bot acted as a copilot helping the guy improve his texts before sending then that would be green level marketing, I think?