Ethics of Tinder bots

[pablo_aka_god]

I've had this idea of building an AI that does the chatting for me on Tinder and Instagram and can close dates in cafes.

We have the technology for building such thing. it would load a lot of books and principles of pickup in an AI agent. I don't want it to lie, just engage the girl for me since I get matches but can't generate engagement over text.

if it worked for myself I could sell this as a product for other guys.

is this unethical? 

I know a lot of people would judge me for building such thing. but do they have a legit point?

What if a girl dates a nice guy that is bad at texting thanks to this technology?

Edited 21 hours ago by pablo_aka_god

[Jannes]

People already did this as soon as dating apps were a thing, havent heard of anyone selling the technology though. 

Yeah it is unethical because this information will get out and people will have less trust in dating apps in general, ruining the experience for anyone. Imagine building a connection with someone on this App but then being cautious that it might be a trick and holding back. Also a guy who is bad at texting probably wont just be great at chatting at the date, which will be confusing for the women. 

[something_else]

AI is really bad at flirting, making coherent jokes and sharing genuine things about yourself to build connection. These are the three major ways you can actually engage with people on dating apps.

You’d probably have to configure it to just push for drinks/coffee date pretty quick, that might work quite well, if you’ve got a solid profile.

Edited 9 hours ago by something_else

[Hojo]

Its more than ethical its a way to fight back. Online dating apps are predatory. You cant have less trust in them. I don't know how you can say its unethical because people will have less trust in dating apps. Its not ethical to have trust in a dating app and they are already so cucked you can barely use them as is.

Its like wearing makeup in a photo levels of unethical.

Edited 12 hours ago by Hojo

[Emerald]

Women on dating apps (and many of the men as well) are looking to get a sense of the other person's personality with the texting to help narrow down whether or not the person they're texting with is a good candidate for a date.

Women get bombarded by TONS of suiters. And she has to sort them and choose to spend her time pursuing the ones she sees as the best candidates. And using a bot to text for you would be giving women false information to make those choices off of.

Like, imagine that a woman doesn't realize that it's a bot. And then it's some violent, crazy guy who's using this tech, but the bot is coming across like a normal gentleman. And she's like, "Sure. He seems normal. I'll go out on a date with him."

Then, the woman goes on the date... and the psycho guy chops off her head. And she never saw it coming because the little red flags that the guy would have left while texting don't come through... because it was a bot doing it.

So... that's how bad it COULD get.

But even if a normal guy is using the tech... it's still misleading and a waste of time.

So, it's misleading and a waste of time at best... and VERY dangerous at worst. So, yes... unethical all around.

[ivankiss]

It is extremely difficult for me to imagine connecting with someone sane on Tinder.

Even AI would go crazy on there after 15 minutes of swiping and 3 conversations.

[Hojo]

@Emerald thats the risk you are taking everytime you go on a date if you want to look at it that way. That can happen with anyone the person who wants to cut your head off isn't going to tell you beforehand. Or you could look at it that the chances it can happen are .0000001 for anybody you meet including someone using a bot to talk. How do you know the person isnt copy pasting replies in chat gpt to talk to you?

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[Emerald]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@EmeraldHow do you know the person isnt copy pasting replies in chat gpt to talk to you?

That would also be unethical.

[Hojo]

@Emerald why? Are you saying its morally wrong to text someone using chat gpt?

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[UnbornTao]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Emerald why? Are you saying its morally wrong to text someone using chat gpt?

“I am not asserting that it is morally impermissible to send messages generated by ChatGPT. However, it is relevant to note that employing an artificial intelligence intermediary introduces a non-human element into interpersonal communication. Consequently, considerations regarding transparency, authenticity, and potential misrepresentation may arise. Ethical evaluation depends on the context and the expectations of the recipient.”

Wait, forgot to remove the quotation marks.

[Emerald]

22 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Emerald why? Are you saying its morally wrong to text someone using chat gpt?

Yes. It's unethical because you're not presenting your own personality and thoughts.

It's like catfishing... but with your personality instead of your looks. (which as bad as looks-based catfishing is, personality-based catfishing is worse)

Now, if you used a program that was like... "Hey, this Tinder user uses a Tinder bot for introductory conversations. Type in a query to learn more about this Tinder user." that wouldn't be unethical.

But passing off ChatGPT or Tinder Bot messages like they are yourself is unethical... because it's misleading the person. It's giving them zero accurate information to go off of when they're considering you for a date.

[Hojo]

@Emerald is wearing makeup catfishing? If a woman has a picture with makeup on would it be ethical to ask her if she's catfishing me?

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo

[Emerald]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Emerald is wearing makeup catfishing?

No.

[Hojo]

@Emerald its 100 percent direct comparison. If a woman wears makeup she should have to write that she's not actually that pretty.

If a man dosent like to talk and uses a bot theres no difference i see. Its like wearing makeup for a man. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo

[Emerald]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Emerald its 100 percent direct comparison.

No it isn't a direct comparison.

In this analogy...

Wearing make-up looks-wise is analogous to putting yours best foot forward on the date personality-wise. Either way, you're still fundamentally presenting yourself.

But looks-based catfishing is using images that aren't you. And personality-based catfishing is have AI bots interact with your dating prospects.

[Princess Arabia]

Part of a woman's attire is her make-up. Doesn't suggests ugliness. Gentlemen understand this. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

If a woman wears makeup she should have to write that she's not actually that pretty.

How silly.

[Emerald]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Emerald If a woman wears makeup she should have to write that she's not actually that pretty.

If a man dosent like to talk and uses a bot theres no difference i see. Its like wearing makeup for a man. 

That's a silly request.

Wearing make-up is a normal human folkway. And it's part of many women's style and persona.

That would be like expecting her to be like, "By the way, I'm wearing a dress. I'm not usually that pretty."

But using an AI bot to talk to dating prospects is deception borne out of laziness... and potentially even deception borne out of a desire to deceive.

There are some things that shouldn't be optimized for efficiency... and dating is one of them.

[Hojo]

@EmeraldMen value beauty so women wear makeup. Wearing makeup is lying about their beauty.

Woman value conversation and interaction a man using chat gpt would be him lying about himself (wearing makeup)

Thats the direct comparison.

Using a chat bot could be normal. We dont define normal we live in it.

The chat bot dosent matter at all the only context in which it matters is the made up story the woman is making about the man in her mind.

Just like makeup dosent matter the only context in which is matters is the made up story in the mans mind about how beautiful she looks. Its not real. Both are lies.

If we just used chat bot for tinder it would be totally okay. You meet irl you already made up a great story to yourself about the man he dosent even have to  worry anymore. The pressure on the man is lifted the woman can wear makeup and lift some pressure off herself.

Theres too much pressure on men and woman are being inconsiderate.

Edited 6 hours ago by Hojo

[Hojo]

@EmeraldI dont care how long wearing makeup has been around it dosent matter in this context. Im asking if its lying. Not if its been happening for a certain time frame. Make up and clothing are different.Make up can turn your face from a 4/10 into a 9/10 Men wear clothing they dont wear makeup. This dating is not efficient to men. You already said women have pages of men to look through and men get 1 or 2 and 200 bots.

If men implemented their own bots the woman could talk to themselves and make up who they want to fuck that way while the men dont have to worry about anything. The men get frustrated because they have 200 bots they get fooled by then 1 or 2 answers or none at all.

Womans priviledge on dating is akin to white priviledge over black people. Its like that but the white people are enslaving the black people and then telling them they arent working hard enough. And that using a wagon to carry the cotton is unethical work so they gotta keep doing it by hand.

But the white people can have wagons cause they have been using wagons since the dawn of man so its okay.

Edited 6 hours ago by Hojo