Sadhguru on Dr k

[UnbornTao]

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

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Damn, work it, ramana!

Edited Friday at 09:20 PM by UnbornTao

[Ishanga]

5 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

Sadhguru is a good businessman as demonstrated by the large organization he created and manages.  He has fashioned a message that appeals to a simplistic audience coming from a materialistic culture.   It’s important to keep in mind that his actual demonstrated competence is in business.  The same thing happens in the medicine world.  The guy who runs the Ayahuasca retreat has no shamanic abilities and may even be a sexual predator.  But he is a good businessman, which is why he is the one running a retreat.

I think this is a misnomer, You don't understand, as well as most around here, that what he is doing is using the tools that are available to him at the moment in time.. Before all this Yoga or Enlightenment came into his life, he was a business man, owning a construction business and farm and such things, then things happened and he dropped it all, he was already on his way to being a Millionaire many times over, but he dropped it when he had his Enlightenment experience, which was back in 1986 I  believe, then things happened, he found out his past life history and why he was born and he built the temple, up until the early 2000's there was no advertising of any kind just word of mouth.  

His basic goal is for everyone to have their Free Will (what he calls Response Ability) back, so they can determine for themselves how they want to Experience life, not to make everyone Enlightened..  To facilitate that and for everyone to be Blissful, he built temples, set up Ashrams, travelled the world (working 20hrs a day, 7days a week for over 30yrs) to promote his Yoga methods and share some wisdom, too support all this business had to be established to make some $$ otherwise how would it work in this day and age and our economic system?  He also supports many charitable activities,medical services, and other such things in India, prison programs there and here in North America, so money is needed to support this, and he uses Utube to help promote, he is NOT a Youtube Guru lol..!

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

He proclaims to have the cure for a widespread mental illness ----> take a mentally ill person, make them better. Everyone will flock to you, rinse and repeat, the world is saved, no need to steal money from Leo to plant trees in a forest to offset @Salvijus carbon footprint he creates making money to take Sahdgurus Kriya course.

No.

Yes, he says many ppl have come to the ashrams with mental illness, he puts them to work in the garden and allows them to go back to touching the earth, eating more naturally, working hard so they are too tired to be depressed or anxious, I think this is a good system...as well of course learning Yoga...

[Hojo]

@Salvijus If you haven't manifested anything with energy and haven't manifested anything without energy then its totally relevant. Because it means you are talking out your ass. That means a fart has more value than this input. You are farting at me.

Edited Friday at 09:30 PM by Hojo

[Ishanga]

18 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

My hunch is that reaching the most people possible would be the least concern of an enlightened person.  Ramana Maharshi didn't have a marketing team.  

 

Another misnomer, how one Enlightened Guru handles things does not mean all should do the same, Your projecting Your needs on Sadhguru, why should he listen to You???

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Salvijus If you haven't manifested anything with energy and haven't manifested anything without energy then its totally relevant. Because it means you are talking out your ass. That means a fart has more value than this input. You are farting at me.

The temples and Dylanalinga was manifested by him, and others, he almost died creating it lol... Your looking for proof via your eyes, you'll never find it, which is why You'll never go too far in Spirituality...

Its obvious where You and many others are coming from, but none of You have the credibility to affect what he is doing, say what You want, he'll still keep on keeping on, and when we are all died and buried, forgotton after a generation or two, he won't be

Edited Friday at 09:34 PM by Ishanga

[Hojo]

@Ishanga He dosent even exist bro calm down. I already saw myself as the universe what have you achieved? A yoga pose?

You wanting to be remembered is a cope. Even sadhgurur say forget about me when I'm dead I don't care. I don't care or want to be remembered. You will remeber and worship him like a tool. While you worship sadhguru i worship God Shiva.

Edited Friday at 09:42 PM by Hojo

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Just open your eyes. The testimonies are abundant, even here on this forum there're plenty of people who benefited immensely from his kriyas (myself included in the past). All his events and social, environmental, rural, educational movements are filled with volunteers from all over the world to make them successful. The proof of that is wide open for everyone to see. 

Sahdgurus teachings are absolutely beneficial to the world, don't get me wrong, I liked him for a long time, but that's not what is being discussed here, school teachers do great work too....

Edited Friday at 09:36 PM by Elliott

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Sahdgurus teachings are absolutely beneficial to the world, don't get me wrong, I liked him for a long time, but that's not what is being discussed here, school teachers do great work too....

The teachings, or rather "Sharings" (books, videos and such), are not what he is about, this is just the circus he has to play (his words) to get ppl interested in Yoga and what he has to offer.  This is the problem when ppl are looking at him and Isha from afar, they make assumptions and then project it onto him, but most all of it is false..

I've been to 3 of his events with him being present (so I've spent about 12 days in the same room as him), its a totally different thing when that is the case, I observed him thoroughly, he's not what ppl think he is when his on his utube vids and such, completely more intense and alive when in person, its something one has experience, but that won't happen to an intense level via the books or videos, there is some transmission there but when in person its much stronger...

Edited Friday at 09:43 PM by Ishanga

[Natasha Tori Maru]

25 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Damn, work it, ramana!

He got that supermodel hip-pop going 😁

[Basman]

9 hours ago, Socrates said:

Imagine someone telling you, if you don't control the mind, you are "mentally ill", and you get triggered instead of reflecting: "Maybe he is into something". You're unredeemable with that attitude.

You shouldn't just believe people, especially if they make huge claims like that. 

I think it is interesting, but I'm not going to believe them outright. Especially since Sadghuru seems to treat this notions as a given.

[Ishanga]

16 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Ishanga He dosent even exist bro calm down. I already saw myself as the universe what have you achieved? A yoga pose?

You wanting to be remembered is a cope. Even sadhgurur say forget about me when I'm dead I don't care. I don't care or want to be remembered. You will remeber and worship him like a tool. While you worship sadhguru i worship God Shiva.

Ego front and center I see:)

Its not about him "wanting" to be remembered, its about the legacy of the work, when You work on the physical level alone Your work will live on past Your death about 100yrs, on the Energetic level where he is working at its thousands of years, of Empowerment left for those the choose to walk this path..

Its not about worship either, I don't worship him, just totally respect what he has done and thankful that I discovered him and his methods! Just because I say what I say about his does not mean I worship him, that is YOU projecting, as many around here do quite often, which is strange for a Spiritual sharing space??

[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

The teachings, or rather "Sharings" (books, videos and such), are not what he is about, this is just the circus he has to play (his words) to get ppl interested in Yoga and what he has to offer.  This is the problem when ppl are looking at him and Isha from afar, they make assumptions and then project it onto him, but most all of it is false..

I've been to 3 of his events with him being present (so I've spent about 12 days in the same room as him), its a totally different thing when that is the case, I observed him thoroughly, he's not what ppl think he is when his on his utube vids and such, completely more intense and alive when in person, its something one has experience, but that won't happen to an intense level via the books or videos, there is some transmission there but when in person its much stronger...

Again, that's great. Does he make people enlightened, does he teach others how to do this teaching, If so, what need is there to hide it and charge for it?

 

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Basman said:

You shouldn't just believe people, especially if they make huge claims like that. 

I think it is interesting, but I'm not going to believe them outright. Especially since Sadghuru seems to treat this notions as a given.

Sadhguru is Anti Belief, whenever he shares things that are considered above the norm, he always prefaces it by saying don't believe what I am sharing with You, don't disbelieve it either, just look at and wonder why I am sharing it with You today, so he's anti belief, he just wants ppl to be open as much as they can and too explore a different way of living and to give it a chance, if it doesn't work then leave it behind, he's said this many many times...

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Again, that's great. Does he make people enlightened, does he teach others how to do this teaching, If so, what need is there to hide it and charge for it?

 

As I explained before, he has to charge for it, firstly to pay for the facilities, the food, the travel to get to the venue and such expenses, second, know one today will give any value to attend his events if it is for free, that is the way it is today unfortunately.. As I said, all 3 events I attend, the fees for all of them combined where below $2000, which is crazy to think about when other self help or gurus charge over $5000 just for a one day event...

Also, he doesn't "Make" ppl do anything, he just offers a method for the person to use so they have their Free Will/Ability to Respond back in their control, and from there they can do what they want to do with it, if they want to have Suffering Experiences go for it he says, if Bliss is what You want to that is fine to, that is up to the individual, not for him to decide..

Edited Friday at 10:02 PM by Ishanga

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Elliott said:

He proclaims to have the cure for a widespread mental illness ----> take a mentally ill person, make them better.

Inner Engineering Practices and Advanced 4-day Isha Yoga Retreat Are Associated with Cannabimimetic Effects with Increased Endocannabinoids and Short-Term and Sustained Improvement in Mental Health: A Prospective Observational Study of Meditators:

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Results: Depression and anxiety scores decreased while focus, happiness, and positive well-being scores increased immediately after retreat from their baseline values (P < 0.001). All improvements were sustained 1 month after BSP. All major eCBs including anandamide, 2-AG, 1-AG, DEA, and BDNF increased after meditation by > 70% (P < 0.001). Increases of ≥20% in anandamide, 2-AG, 1-AG, and total AG levels after meditation from the baseline had weak correlations with changes in happiness and well-being.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32595741/

More than 70% increase in endocannabinoids and BDNF. I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty insane (no pun intended). And that's one study out of many.

Now, I would expect you could get similar results with a simple DIY meditation, but that doesn't subtract from the fact that his program has an effect (and it could be helpful for especially beginners in certain ways).

 

2 hours ago, Elliott said:

Everyone will flock to you, rinse and repeat, the world is saved,

Research requires funding and prior recognition.

 

2 hours ago, Elliott said:

no need to steal money from Leo to plant trees in a forest to offset @Salvijus carbon footprint he creates making money to take Sahdgurus Kriya course.

If there is no environment, if there is no soil, there is no food, no mental health (unless you're Babaji chilling in an ethereal realm). Sadhguru is not just a holistic thinker but a holistic executer, which is extremely valueable, and it would be a ridiculous undertaking if not impossible in principle without money being spent (and time is money anyways, so you're just wasting time AND money that way).

Edited Friday at 10:23 PM by Carl-Richard

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Inner Engineering Practices and Advanced 4-day Isha Yoga Retreat Are Associated with Cannabimimetic Effects with Increased Endocannabinoids and Short-Term and Sustained Improvement in Mental Health: A Prospective Observational Study of Meditators:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32595741/

More than 70% increase in endocannabinoids and BDNF. I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty insane (no pun intended). And that's one study out of many.

 

Research requires funding and prior recognition.

 

If there is no environment, if there is no soil, there is no food, no mental health (unless you're Babaji chilling in an ethereal realm). Sadhguru is not just a holistic thinker but a holistic executer, which is extremely valueable, and it would not be possible without money being spent.

Nice sharing!

I think Isha as something set up at harvard to study the effect of Isha Yoga, so that is cool, he's allowing modern day science to find out why it works, and this has been done many times before, they studied Swami Rama years and years ago, he could control the temperature of different parts of his hand, so one side of his hand was different temp than the other side of his hand, and he stopped his heart for a time period, and did other things that science says is not possible, so slowly the west is learning, but we are slow learners for sure!!

 

[Jodistrict]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

Another misnomer, how one Enlightened Guru handles things does not mean all should do the same, Your projecting Your needs on Sadhguru, why should he listen to You???

Why should I listen to him?  He promotes magical thinking which indicates to me that he is more concerned about marketing than liberation of his followers.   Magical thinking and wild stories are entertainment for the masses.

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Why should I listen to him?  He promotes magical thinking which indicates to me that he is more concerned about marketing than liberation of his followers.   Magical thinking and wild stories are entertainment for the masses.

Just look at the simple level of what he is doing physically, he sleeps 4 hours a day, before his turned 60 it was 2hrs a day, he works 20 some hours each day, 7 days a week and has done so for over 30yrs, so what does all the say?? He for sure has access to something that most do not, and that is just the simple physicality of what he is doing, never mind everything else that is going on...

here's his activity level for last year, which is probably a bit less that what he's been doing the last 29yrs!

You and I, and 99.99999% of the ppl on this planet could not keep up with him today for a month or week!

 

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

My hunch is that reaching the most people possible would be the least concern of an enlightened person.  Ramana Maharshi didn't have a marketing team.  

You know what a bodhisattva is so we don't have to go there.