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Leo, do you still see a difference between Liberalism and Progressivism?

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1 hour ago, Daniel Balan said:

Bro I'm literally 25 and I never worked a day legally. I have 0 money put aside for retirement. If I injury myself I go bankrupt, I have no health insurance. I work at whoever needs something done. Like bucking wood in the forest, construction work and agriculture work. I litteraly go to farms to shovel cow shit for 20$ a day. And I never complained or bitched or moaned for the government to give me a handout. I am happy the way I am. I don't expect anyone especially the government to help me. I help myself.

I think welfare is more than needed, but not financed from deficit spending. Welfare should be financed solely from tax money. Not from public debt. Public debt should finance subsidies for large sectors of economy such as infrastructure, energy etc. Debt should be used to build factories and businesses that generate revenue, not to give UBI to lazy individuals. 

What do you mean you never worked a day legally?

Also, how are you going to pay for any healthcare services that you'll need in this day and age?

How will you plan to retire comfortably?

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3 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Bro I'm literally 25 and I never worked a day legally.

Based and NEET-pilled. 

But what do you mean "legally"? Do you not work or work under the table?

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3 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Bro I'm literally 25 and I never worked a day legally. I have 0 money put aside for retirement. If I injury myself I go bankrupt, I have no health insurance. I work at whoever needs something done. Like bucking wood in the forest, construction work and agriculture work. I litteraly go to farms to shovel cow shit for 20$ a day. And I never complained or bitched or moaned for the government to give me a handout. I am happy the way I am. I don't expect anyone especially the government to help me. I help myself.

I think welfare is more than needed, but not financed from deficit spending. Welfare should be financed solely from tax money. Not from public debt. Public debt should finance subsidies for large sectors of economy such as infrastructure, energy etc. Debt should be used to build factories and businesses that generate revenue, not to give UBI to lazy individuals. 

Hold up how in the heck do you support yourself then and where do you live?


 

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7 hours ago, Hardkill said:

What do you mean you never worked a day legally?

Also, how are you going to pay for any healthcare services that you'll need in this day and age?

How will you plan to retire comfortably?

I've always worked under the table. I don't have enough money to buy health insurance no matter what. And regarding retirement I will probably never retire.


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6 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Based and NEET-pilled. 

But what do you mean "legally"? Do you not work or work under the table?

I never worked with a contract. Always worked under the table. I have 0 days worked with legal contract where I pay taxes. If I earn 20$ a day, If I were to pay taxes on that I'd have 10 dollars a day to eat and pay for shit.


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6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Hold up how in the heck do you support yourself then and where do you live?

I live in a remote area in the country side. There is one timber factory in a city that is like 30 km away but is already full with workers, doesn't employ anymore and other work opportunities are very scarce and very few. I'd love to work with a contract but all those jobs are largely occupied. So I work at whoever needs some help in construction, agriculture, taking care of cows etc. And at home I have animals myself and I have potatoes, so I have food. The money I earn is to pay electricity and internet and to repair my car so I can commute.

Note: I'm just explaining this to you guys because you were curious. I don't want  you guys to feel sorry for me or to view me as some sort of a poor man that needs compasion or a hug, how I live is how most of the peasants in Eastern Europe or Russia live, it is very normal and nobody is feeling sorry for himself, that is how life is supposed to be in a rural area. We live off the land. 

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4 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

I live in a remote area in the country side. There is one timber factory in a city that is like 30 km away but is already full with workers, doesn't employ anymore and other work opportunities are very scarce and very few. I'd love to work with a contract but all those jobs are largely occupied. So I work at whoever needs some help in construction, agriculture, taking care of cows etc. And at home I have animals myself and I have potatoes, so I have food. The money I earn is to pay electricity and internet and to repair my car so I can commute.

Note: I'm just explaining this to you guys because you were curious. I don't want  you guys to feel sorry for me or to view me as some sort of a poor man that needs compasion or a hug, how I live is how most of the peasants in Eastern Europe or Russia live, it is very normal and nobody is feeling sorry for himself, that is how life is supposed to be in a rural area. We live off the land. 

In many ways you’re probably living a more holistic life than high earners in the West, since you have an immediate connection to nature / growth / the cycles of life that people in big cities are alienated from. 

Not saying your life is perfect but at least on a physical / energetic level you’re probably better off than a lot of other people.

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20 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

In many ways you’re probably living a more holistic life than high earners in the West, since you have an immediate connection to nature / growth / the cycles of life that people in big cities are alienated from. 

Not saying your life is perfect but at least on a physical / energetic level you’re probably better off than a lot of other people.

@Apparition of Jack Thank you for the kind words! 🖤 I really appreciate it. 

In some ways it is bad, I mean the life is very physically demanding and the one thing I don't like about this lifestyle is that every year is the same, always working the fields just to get some food, there isn't anything novel. But on the other side I don't have to pay any rent, I love the nature and the rural landscapes, I have a lot of fresh air and serenity and silence and the best part for me is that the population density is really really low! I hate people and I can't stand crowds. I am a loner and here I can enjoy myself to the fullest extent without others bothering me with their shit. 

Also I'm not imprisoned here, I could move to western Europe or to other big cities within my country at any time, in fact the car I have I bought it with money earned in Germany, so yeah city life is cool too, but I decided that for my peace of mind, for my serenity, living in a remote rural area is for me like living in a dream. The silence is so loud, so addictive.

The forests will keep singing forever. 


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On 10/7/2025 at 8:40 PM, Leo Gura said:

I would be for socialism if it worked. But socialism is hippie nonsense, so I am forced to be capitalist.

There is no choice about it. We are all capitalists. Even the craziest socialist is actually a capitalist. He's just in denial about it.

Capitalism isn't a choice. It's just nature.

Wow...So socialism is truly impossible? What about a mixed model of capitalism/socialism? I mean I want to be pragmatic but some things that are happening as a result of capitalism make 0 sense to me.

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1 hour ago, museumoftrees said:

Wow...So socialism is truly impossible? What about a mixed model of capitalism/socialism? I mean I want to be pragmatic but some things that are happening as a result of capitalism make 0 sense to me.

A Nordic capitalist welfare state is possible. I do not call that socialism.


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11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A Nordic capitalist welfare state is possible. I do not call that socialism.

It's more of a spectrum then. If we can't call Sweden or Norway socialist states then we can't call Canada, France or USA pure capitalist states either.

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23 minutes ago, museumoftrees said:

It's more of a spectrum then. If we can't call Sweden or Norway socialist states then we can't call Canada, France or USA pure capitalist states either.

Yes.

On a political axis. The easiest way to model it is the four-point political compass.

     Authoritarianism
Socialism + Capitalism
         Liberalism

Most people have a tendency to villify or dismiss one aspect of the political compass, and most countries also. Which is where all their problems arise.

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1 hour ago, museumoftrees said:

It's more of a spectrum then. If we can't call Sweden or Norway socialist states then we can't call Canada, France or USA pure capitalist states either.

No, we can call all those states capitalist, with Sweden and Norway having robust welfare systems.

A capitalist state with a welfare system is not socialism.

Just be accurate and call for capitalism + robust welfare system, if that's what you want. Do not call that socialism.

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

No, we can call all those states capitalist, with Sweden and Norway having robust welfare systems.

A capitalist state with a welfare system is not socialism.

Just be accurate and call for capitalism + robust welfare system, if that's what you want. Do not call that socialism.

It is a socialist policy, on one of the most critical policies there can be.
Education, Healthcare and welfare are three of the pillars of any society.

I know you hate the word, but it's just a word.

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On 10/9/2025 at 4:45 AM, Daniel Balan said:

I live in a remote area in the country side. There is one timber factory in a city that is like 30 km away but is already full with workers, doesn't employ anymore and other work opportunities are very scarce and very few. I'd love to work with a contract but all those jobs are largely occupied. So I work at whoever needs some help in construction, agriculture, taking care of cows etc. And at home I have animals myself and I have potatoes, so I have food. The money I earn is to pay electricity and internet and to repair my car so I can commute.

Note: I'm just explaining this to you guys because you were curious. I don't want  you guys to feel sorry for me or to view me as some sort of a poor man that needs compasion or a hug, how I live is how most of the peasants in Eastern Europe or Russia live, it is very normal and nobody is feeling sorry for himself, that is how life is supposed to be in a rural area. We live off the land. 

Wealth isnt happiness.  As long as you are content.  Everyone talks about living off the land in the West but you are actually doing it 😀


 

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On 10/10/2025 at 1:30 AM, BlueOak said:

It is a socialist policy, on one of the most critical policies there can be.
Education, Healthcare and welfare are three of the pillars of any society.

I know you hate the word, but it's just a word.

It is not that I hate the word. The word means no private property. Socialism is a very specific thing. You can't have Wall Street and call it socialism.

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Capitalism is just such a beautiful well oiled grinding machine where you can sell anything as long as people buy it and you can get away with things legally, sociallism on other hand offers obliviuos opium of equality and saving polar bears... its just all so cute... unfortunetly political system has to be like a half retarded person thus able to communicate to immidiate impulses that govern life of average irresponsible wicked human soul... and its animalistic persuits... best system would be to strip humanity of technology and let em do as they please... nature would equalise the rest...hahahaha

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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It is not that I hate the word. The word means no private proverty. Socialism is a very specific thing. You can't have Wall Street and call it socialism.

Do you think it inaccurate to say Capitalism and socialism are on a scale then? We are very far into capitalism, I agree, but I've always framed reality to have these four poles. So I can call a policy either more or less socialist or more or less capitalist. I find it a helpful point of reference to how much I will be paying for something directly or through taxation for example.
 

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