Leo Gura

Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

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Btw, if you are in the limbo state and you take psychedelics, unless it's a teeny tiny microdose, you will either have an insane ego death (granted you drop the moth identity) or you will have a 5150. So think about that if you want to go on a psychedelic retreat (it might become a psych retreat 😝).

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On 10/3/2025 at 8:18 AM, Daniel Balan said:

But I'd never take psychedelics. I'm totally against them. I believe that psychedelics are  a corruption element on my ability to have accurate sense making of reality.

I live by the principle that you can only have an accurate, truthful worldview and sense making of reality by being 101% sober. 

In my eyes there is no way of making accurate sense of the world and reality while you are high on psychedelics. To me psychedelics are like pouring gasoline on the fire that is self deception. 

It is just my take, don't take this personally, do as many psychedelics you want. But I'll never try them. I'm all or nothing. I'm either doing spirituality the most hard core possible in a sober manner, or not at all. 

Im 100% in agreement with you on this. I quit psychedelics long ago, and the path of intensive yoga meditation and study has created a stable sense of God Realization, not a state but a permanent shift. It’s now glaringly clear to me what God is, what I Am, and it’s so simple. I feel like psychedelics blast your nervous system and send you into weird and strange corners of consciousness which cause confusion about the Truth. Many people come back with all sorts of wacky and dark ideas about reality that always have this tinge of fear and darkness to them, rather than love and perfection. Another problem with them is once you start doing them they become your door way to God (or what you think is God) it creates a dependency. Your mind will always compare your weak meditation with being blasted by 5 MEO DMT. Notice how none of the great masters of past of modern times recommend psychedelics as a legitimate path. The people who go all the way just by developing their consciousness have a certain sturdiness, embodiment and aura that people who use psychedelics to awaken simply don’t have- not even close in fact. For example compare Peter Ralston or Yogananda to Aubrey Marcus or anyone else you know who uses 5 MEO to become enlightened- big difference. 
 

I’ve been blessed in life to study with true masters of consciousness, in person, and seeing that makes me know it’s possible in this lifetim, without drugs. So that’s quite final for me. Also once you awaken the subtle energy centers you want to preserve them- I think drugs deplete your energy centers. 
 

But I think it’s cool Leo is going in person, I find in person much more fulfilling these days. I’ve actually been off the forum for a while now as I’ve been in real community, offline, chatting, learning languages, doing yoga, dating. My YouTube channel is fun but teaching yoga in person is much more of a growth path and fulfilling in that I see the fruits of the practice in real time. 
 

All the best to the people who did this though, I hope it works for them, or at least shows them what is possible through a life of devotion, discipline and contemplation. 


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7 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes. Not real. Nothing belongs to me. Absolute appearing as a creative perception process. Ain't happening.

It's indistinguishable, aren't you ever content? :P 


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8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The Absolute Good is that nothing matters!

Anything mattering is not good, it's bad. Only a fool needs things to matter.

Nothing matters -- so be happy.

Geez, this is the issue when talking about this stuff. Language just gives up at some point.

Nothing matters.

Everything matters infinitely.

We create our own meaning.

All those statements are part of Truth.

But that we do create the meaning on this planet is the most significant.
Nothing matters, yeah, but so what. Let's not stop there and go beyond.

My point begin: We have to go beyond it not mattering and MAKE IT MATTER.

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14 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

And finally, we really should respect Leo's wish to keep this thread focused on what really matters and what the thread is about. If we want to discuss this conversation more in-depth, we can start another thread for it.

He is responding to things that are not directly related to the topic of this thread. You are responding to things that are not directly related to the topic of this thread, and its unfair for you to have your defense and then prevent people from challenging you on your claims. Its like "let me have the last word and then let me prevent people from giving a reply" - like no, he has the ability to shut this line down by explcitly calling it out, but until then, lets carry on.

 

14 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

At the end of the day, the fact of the matter is that majority of society lives in group-think and there is a heavily unbalanced stigma against being outside group-think vs being in group-think, making it unhealthy and toxic for humanity and its survival and growth.

And group think in and of itself isn't bad, having stigma against things can be good. People obviously disagree with you on what you call bad stigma. Not having stigma against things can also prevent growth. Doubling down on psychosis isnt growth.

 

Now going back to the example that you ignored - being an infinite enabler on the basis of "open-mindedness" and on the basis of blind-hermeneutics is not good. When someone is drowning in delusions (like the healing example that you didnt want to engage with) you dont want to strengthen that just because its a teacher you respect -  if you care about them and about the audience who watches them , then you make sure to call it out for what it is. That video is a clear example of  someone who is falling into the trap of (and even advocating for)  spiritual bypassing (that you are allegedly against) - I was just checking whether you (as a moderator) can stay consistent and call it out for what it is or whether you are engaging in cult-like behavior, where you infinitely praise and make excuses for Leo, and where you feel a strong need to get his approval.

And this is not about open-mindedness (its not a question whether healing is possible or not), this is about spotting the pattern of someone having God-like confidence in something and then ending up making completely wrong predictions, while appealing to high consciousness and appealing to his specialness and to the idea that he is the chosen one.

 

A conscious ,intelligent, sane person usually engage in self-correcting behavior. "Fuck, I had a very high conviction and made a dead wrong prediction, let me check and deeply reflect on my epistemic process and on my metaphysics so that I wont make the same mistake again  ". Leo has foundational beliefs that are preventing him from engaging in self-correcting behavior and there are no avalaible sanity checks anymore, because everyone is dumb and unconscious and also because insanity is literally treated as the new cool and as an achievement.  Where do you see Leo engaging in self correcting behavior and having epistemic humility? 99% of his responses are about being 100% confident about his claims and there being no room for him to be wrong and about him being above everyone.

And the funny thing is that none of you would give the same "charity" (unhealthy fan/glaze behavior) to anyone else, you only give this kind of treatment to Leo. For example,  pick any  random forum member who claimed to be Jesus and check your "open-mindedness" on those kind of claims.

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1 hour ago, zurew said:

And the funny thing is that none of you would give the same "charity" (unhealthy fan/glaze behavior) to anyone else, you only give this kind of treatment to Leo. For example,  pick any  random forum member who claimed to be Jesus and check your "open-mindedness" on those kind of claims.

By the way,  I think I have something to tell you xD


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17 hours ago, zurew said:

Because that means that he cant ever be wrong or self-deceived even though we have clear examples showing otherwise.

I have never claimed that I can't be wrong or self-deceived.

I have entire videos explaining this, and yet you still make it up otherwise.

You see in me what you want to see, for good and for bad. If you want to hate me, you will find reasons to hate me. If you want to love me, you will find reasons to love me. As always, you are constantly constructing reality.

It is boring to have to explain such basic things to you.

It should be obvous to every single one of you that I could be wrong about anything. And it should be obvious that so could you.

Now stop derailing this thread. If you are not posting about the retreat do not post here. If you want to criticize me, open a new thread.

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55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I have never claimed that I can't be wrong or self-deceived.

Im sure the following was just a meme as well just for the effect of it.

On 2023. 03. 24. at 7:11 AM, Leo Gura said:

Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves.

The only one here who understands these things is ME.

This does not mean, however, that I cannot sometimes be full of shit myself. I can. I am not perfect. But not on this issue.

Enlightenment is not AWAKE.
Buddhism is not AWAKE.
Nonduality is not AWAKE.
No amount of meditation is AWAKE.

There will be a lot of bitching and moaning over this issue. But I simply told you the truth.

You've been warned. This is way more tricky than you ever imagined. My function here is to guide people through every trick. But the problem is, they don't want to be guided because they already think they've figured it out. Don't be that guy.

55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Now stop derailing this thread.

Now im done with the topic.

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12 minutes ago, zurew said:

Im sure the following was just a meme as well just for the effect of it.

There is no contradiction.

It is silly that I need to explain this.

Just because I say it doesn't mean it is true. But also, doesn't mean it isn't true.

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Now that you replied I will give you a last reply on this topic:

Yes there is a clear contradiction there my dude and I could have searched for other examples as well.

You said that you never claimed that you cant be wrong, and I showed you explicitly an example where you did claim that you cant be wrong (and you emphasized this in your own post) and now you are engaging in massive levels of coping.

Also again, it doesnt matter what you say with regards to self-deception and it doesnt matter how many videos you have on it, if your embodiment and engagement with people shows otherwise. There is a reason why you never drop the teacher frame.

Now you can give whatever reply you want, I wont reply anymore.

 

 

Edit: For the people who still have a working brain and arent full time Leo glazers, apply this meaning :

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

If at the end of my life I tell you all of Actualized.org was wrong, I will say, see I told you, I could be wrong. So I was right all along.

I cannot be wrong. Because if I am wrong, then I was self-deceived, which means I was right, because I told you that self-deception is endless.

to the post that I linked (where he said "but not on this issue")  and tell me with a straight face that was the intended meaning behind that sentence and post. If this isn't clear cognitive dissonance, then I dont know what it is. Surely he built that whole fucking post on the foundation and qualification that he once claimed that 'self-deception is endless' and he didnt make that whole post with the intended meaning to wield his spiritual dick around and showcase that his claim about God realization and about the fact that he is more awake than everyone else cannot be false.

"Ohh I once  gave the claim that 'self-deception is endless' therefore I cannot be wrong about anything, because if I am wrong about anything that means that I was right about self-deception being endless" - a good faith non-narcissistic guy, who can admit when he is wrong.

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18 minutes ago, zurew said:

You said that you never claimed that you cant be wrong, and I showed you explicitly an example where you did claim that you cant be wrong

Just because I claim I am not wrong does not mean it is true!

Nothing has been contradicted.

You just fail to understand what "I could be wrong" means.

I will tell you again: My understanding of God is not wrong.

Whether that's true or not, you don't know.

If at the end of my life I tell you all of Actualized.org was wrong, I will say, see I told you, I could be wrong. So I was right all along.

I cannot be wrong. Because if I am wrong, then I was self-deceived, which means I was right, because I told you that self-deception is endless.

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I would actually try to smoke more dmt on my own before considering a retreat of this kind, just to develop my guts more. But on the other hand I might never awaken with this kind of teachings.

@Leo Gura Have you consider doing online awakening-psychedelic guidance?

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On 10/15/2025 at 10:29 AM, vibv said:

You guys are still trying to win an argument, which alone reduces your state of consciousness already.

This is just true, you're just shooting yourself in the foot

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4 hours ago, Human Mint said:

Have you consider doing online awakening-psychedelic guidance?

I will make an Awakening course which will help with that.


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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I will make an Awakening course which will help with that.

Does this course cover any pshycedelics? Like will be usefull if i only can use shrooms, DMT, 2CB and LSD. 

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30 minutes ago, Peo said:

Does this course cover any pshycedelics? Like will be usefull if i only can use shrooms, DMT, 2CB and LSD. 

Only?

That's a lot.


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8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a lot.

Compared to you it is little. Can't you use like 100 chemicals?

Like i just hope your course not a 5 Meo-DMT necessity, since it is so difficult to acquire compared to my list. 

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I would be interested, but only in a couple years (about three). I still have some groundwork to lay concerning my survival before exploring psychedelics.

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29 minutes ago, Peo said:

Compared to you it is little. Can't you use like 100 chemicals?

Like i just hope your course not a 5 Meo-DMT necessity, since it is so difficult to acquire compared to my list. 

It is not about any particular chemical. It is insights into the nature of reality.

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@Leo Gura "Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves.

The only one here who understands these things is ME."

But what about some people here who posted their legit awakenings or what god is? Do you really mean no one here is awakened/has an understanding of god or do you mean no one got an so deep awakening/god realization like you?

 

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