Leo Gura

Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

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Leo is a Knana Yogi, he's dissecting the Existence via his mind and intellect, going so deep he has insight from that, that is clear, but he hasn't dealt with his ego and now obviously narcissistic tendencies, and he coitizes others from doing things differently than him and disregards them which is short sighted.. Ppl here luv or idolize him because they are intellectual too, but not on his level, but they relate to it, problem is existence has nothing to do with Intellect lol, that is the trick...poor idolizers!!!

I can't listen to his lectures, their too long, eventually it all sounds like Bla Bla Bla... make it short and sweet... Not saying he is not on a level of Awareness that is high level, he is, but he hasn't dealt with certain karmas that are in place that stifle him big time..

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Karma Means "Life is my Making", I am 100% responsible for my Inner Experience. -Sadhguru..."I don''t want Your Dreams to come True, I want something to come true for You beyond anything You could dream of!!" - Sadhguru

 

 

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1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

problem is existence has nothing to do with Intellect

Sure bro. Go back in history and kill the geniuses who discovered electricity and invented technology and let me see you writing that comment again.


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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8 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Number two..go back few pages ..I trolled Leo literally. Get the full picture before judging . 

I didn't judge, I merely stated an observation and how it made me feel. That's my prerogative, not yours and you have the right to defend it, so I'm not saying anything on that but it is because I've seen you troll Leo many times in the past why I say it's just a trend for now and you will move on. Probably be Osho again tomorrow.

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1 minute ago, Someone here said:

Sure bro. Go back in history and kill the geniuses who discovered electricity and invented technology and let me see you writing that comment again.

Survival based level only, everything is that in todays society and culture, intellect is just that survival based living, I'm am talking Mystical/Spiritual levels of Realization, intellect has nothing to do with that...

Our Potential lies in the Mystical and Spiritual, if one has not Experienced those Potentials, then we are no different than the cavemen, just accumulating different things, which is a sad state of affairs after 200,000yrs...


Karma Means "Life is my Making", I am 100% responsible for my Inner Experience. -Sadhguru..."I don''t want Your Dreams to come True, I want something to come true for You beyond anything You could dream of!!" - Sadhguru

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I didn't judge, I merely stated an observation and how it made me feel. That's my prerogative, not yours and you have the right to defend it, so I'm not saying anything on that but it is because I've seen you troll Leo many times in the past why I say it's just a trend for now and you will move on. Probably be Osho again tomorrow.

Wtf you're saying go drink water and sleep 😂 ❤️


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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Just now, Someone here said:

Wtf you're saying go drink water and sleep 😂 ❤️

Yes, daddy...😜


What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Survival based level only, everything is that in todays society and culture, intellect is just that survival based living, I'm am talking Mystical/Spiritual levels of Realization, intellect has nothing to do with that...

Our Potential lies in the Mystical and Spiritual, if one has not Experienced those Potentials, then we are no different than the cavemen, just accumulating different things, which is a sad state of affairs after 200,000yrs...

You can't separate the two ,can you ?

Leo used to say delusional shit in the past like "brains don't exist " yet here's he in this thread talking about how chemicals(psychedelics) affect the brain and can reveal mystical insights .a chemical that can be manufactured in the factory can lead to spiritual growth. Both go hand in hand . And of course you can't have any material  industry without intellect.  So I just proved you wrong .


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You can't separate the two ,can you ?

Leo used to say delusional shit in the past like "brains don't exist " yet here's he in this thread talking about how chemicals(psychedelics) affect the brain and can reveal mystical insights .a chemical that can be manufactured in the factory can lead to spiritual growth. Both go hand in hand . And of course you can't have any material  industry without intellect.  So I just proved you wrong .

Material industry is tied to Survival Accumulation, it all is.. One can take the intellect to the deepest levels, via that it gives Spiritual Insights I would say, but then it has to go further and disregard the Intellect, which is why we have Yogic systems, Daoist Systems, Buddhist System and so forth, it goes beyond the Intellect and into places that don't require it...Leo I would say has gone as deep as one can go via the Intellect, he's done some Yoga but has to integrate it all and get past his Karmic hiccups still...at least this is what I am observing, he for sure had great insights and sharing, they have helped ppl for sure, but its very limited...

P.S. what is the point of "proving me wrong" ?? makes You feel better?? sounds egoic too me..

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Karma Means "Life is my Making", I am 100% responsible for my Inner Experience. -Sadhguru..."I don''t want Your Dreams to come True, I want something to come true for You beyond anything You could dream of!!" - Sadhguru

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Material industry is tied to Survival Accumulation, it all is.. One can take the intellect to the deepest levels, via that it gives Spiritual Insights I would say, but then it has to go further and disregard the Intellect, which is why we have Yogic systems, Daoist Systems, Buddhist System and so forth, it goes beyond the Intellect and into places that don't require it...Leo I would say has gone as deep as one can go via the Intellect, he's done some Yoga but has to integrate it all and get past his Karmic hiccups still...at least this is what I am observing, he for sure had great insights and sharing, they have helped ppl for sure, but its very limited...

P.S. what is the point of "proving me wrong" ?? makes You feel better?? sounds egoic too me..

Sorry you perceived like that. I'm not about ego . That's just my style of writing .I'm working on my overexcitement 😂 

You don't actually follow Leo's work . You regard Sadhguru and Eastern religions as the end all be all . Leo is just saying take some psychedelics and all that flies out the window . You deconstruct your concepts like Karma and shit .not add to it .

 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Sorry you perceived like that. I'm not about ego . That's just my style of writing .I'm working on my overexcitement 😂 

You don't actually follow Leo's work . You regard Sadhguru and Eastern religions as the end all be all . Leo is just saying take some psychedelics and all that flies out the window . You deconstruct your concepts like Karma and shit .not add to it .

 

Sadhguru is just a Vehicle, I am never talking about the personality or such things, when I talk or share about him, its just his methods and how he puts things, his methods work and he puts things in simple perspectives, easy to understand.. Like when he explains Meaning, there is no meaning other than what You make out of it, which is mostly bullshit, so if there is no meaning, then what? Why not just experience Life completely and totally, then if that were in place, would You search for meaning? Probably not, so that makes sense to me, searching for meaning is useless, you get to the end goal then what, search for another meaning or goal and then it becomes cyclical and your looking for things outside of you to fulfil You, why not get to a spot of Experiencing Completeness within then establish Your BEING, and then go do action...so that makes more sense to me, I don't care about Sadhguru as a personality or anything of that sort.

As I've said Leo has shared some value for sure, its just for me its too intellectual, and the idea of relying on psychedelics is not for me, it has its time and place but not as a method or path...


Karma Means "Life is my Making", I am 100% responsible for my Inner Experience. -Sadhguru..."I don''t want Your Dreams to come True, I want something to come true for You beyond anything You could dream of!!" - Sadhguru

 

 

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1 hour ago, Someone here said:

@zurew please no need for that though . Try your best to view the situation from Leo's pov. We are not doubting his wisdom and conscioconsess. It's certainly suspicious but still its not entirely fake .don't you think this is obvious? 

 Yes "there is need for it". Too much toleration for stupid claims and bad inferences and none of this makes sense even under his own epistemology.

He explicitly stated what his inference was and its a blatantly trash one and you know this. You wouldnt tolerate such inferences if you would replace Leo with any other person, and the quality of inference doesnt improve by changing the subject in the inference.

For example -  even if we take the following claim for granted "All people who tried to talk about awakening and elightenment and God are completely wrong about those things" -  still, what about people that Leo doesnt know about? - like why would anyone think that awakening would entail talking/writing about awakening?

This is just one extremely obvious objection to the inference, and this is the guy that you admire for his intelligence?

Probably not every enlightened master has the narcissistic urge to tell you periodically how much of a rat you are and how much more conscious he/she is compared to you.

Like why would you tolerate this? 

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Also you should drop this "give infinite charity to him" when he doesnt do that towards anyone.

He doesnt give the most basic charity to anyone. If he doesnt understand a given claim then from 100 cases 99 times he wont ask questions to try to make sense of your claim or to check what you mean by certain words, he will just assume that you dont know what you are talking about or he will interpret in a way where it will make your claim obviously false.

Like do you think the dude is tracking what @UnbornTao's objection is? Or he is running the "you dont understand God" script for the millionth time as a "response"?

 

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Would have been cool when I wasn't enlightened, but have fun with the social entertainment 
 


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7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I guess it's hard to eat a large enough volume of truffles to get stupidly high.

I ate 15g fresh truffles (2-3g dried mushrooms) in one fell swoop. It was tasty.

My mind was royally fucked.

Now, it's a memory that shakes me up often.

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5 hours ago, Vibes said:

Now my old patterns of low self esteem kick in. How can I, simple man, get it when not even Peter Ralston gets it???

Simply by being openminded, questioning everything, and the right chemicals.

Don't overlook how closedminded most people are about chemicals. Ralston is a perfect example of that. He could have helped people awaken with chemicals but instead he ridicules them. So... don't be that guy.

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You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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@zurew There's just no pretty way of communucating to you how far away humans are from truly grasping God.

This has nothing to so with me.

All the nondual teachings are not it.

You have to seriously question all the teachings. That's all.

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You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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What is the norm that is used to create the hierarchy (when it comes to awakenings)?

Like what possible norm can be used so that it make sense to compare something absolute with something relative? Because whatever norm that is used there would need to transcend both relative and absolute categories in order for the judgement/comparison to make sense.

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1 hour ago, zurew said:

What is the norm that is used to create the hierarchy (when it comes to awakenings)?

Like what possible norm can be used so that it make sense to compare something absolute with something relative? Because whatever norm that is used there would need to transcend both relative and absolute categories in order for the judgement/comparison to make sense.

It is not a norm. It is Consciousness.

No matter how many times you guys speak of "absolute", there ARE many degrees to Consciousness. Not because Leo says so, but because that is the nature of Consciousness.

You accept that there are degrees of light. You don't regard the sun as in some kind of "hierarchy" with a lightbulb. You know the sun is brighter than a lightbulb.

Whether you accept it or not, you ARE more conscious than a rat. And if that is true, Consciousness has many degrees.

Degrees of Consciousness is NOT relative! You are absolutely more conscious than a rat. I hope.

As for the matter of how to determine who is more conscious than whom, well, there is no solution to that problem. You will know when you are more conscious than others only once you reach those levels of consciousness.

Once you have a deep grasp of God it becomes quite clear when people speak of God from much lower levels. For example, it is obvious that Christians have no clue what God is even though they can't stop speaking about it.

The problem with God is that only God can know God. You cannot use any external measure to test knowing of God. God is totally internal. The higher degrees of consciousness are unimaginable to the lower. The lower does not even know they exist. Like a rat does not know that math exists.

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You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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The problem isnt that people reject your notion of God, the problem is that you are making a category error (under the notions how people who objected to you use the terms relative and absolute).

Its like saying that it makes sense to say "something is taller or less tall than tallness itself". Tallness isnt a category that can  have the property of being less or more tall. And it isn't a question of open-mindedness or lack of knowledge , its a question of making meaningful sentences.

 

Do you think it makes sense to say something like - "You are not open minded to the fact that tallness is an illusion and you can be taller or smaller than tallness?". Or to say "there are levels of tallness to tallness"

And yes, it is a norm that you are using, but what is it? Is it something like 'Sense of realness'? Because that norm can be meaningful and it can make sense when it comes to comparative judgements, and hence why the metaphor "awakening" can be used - you judge something illusory to something more real.

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Degrees of Consciousness is NOT relative! You are absolutely more conscious than a rat. I hope.

This is the issue that multiple people have already pointed out to you (including me) that you are equivocating on the term "absolute" and "relative" and you are using those terms with a different meaning comapared to how others(who objected to you) use it.

Again, its not a question of being lost in  non-dual dogma, its a question of making meaningful sentences. Like making sentences like "You can go beyond nonduality", what the fuck does the adjective "beyond" can possibly  mean there? Because, again, under how people understand the semantics of such statements, its just a meaningless statement that involves a category mistake (and by clarifying what notions you are using behind those statements, you can make it meaningful, but for that you need to bother with clarification).

 

I can give you a couple more statements to give you an intuition pump (demonstrate what our issue is) that all involve category errors and its not a matter of lack of open mindedness or knowledge: 

1) Something before time - 'before' is a temporal property and it pressuposses time, its like saying time before time - meaningless, unless you can give such meaning to the term 'before' that is non-temporal.

2) Another one is saying that space is larger than the sun. If by the term 'space' we mean the container within which things are located and extended, then the predicate "small" or "large" cant be applied to it and it becomes a meaningless statement. However, there is a way to make it possibly a meaningful statement, if we engage in equivocation, where by  the term 'space'  we mean the observable Universe.  In that case, the sentence could be cashed out something like "in the container within which things are located and extended, the observable Universe is larger than the sun".

3) There is a location to the container within which all things are located and extended.

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37 minutes ago, zurew said:

Like making sentences like "You can go beyond nonduality", what the fuck does the adjective "beyond" can possibly  there?

It means that people who speak about nonduality are in lower states of consciousness than what is possible.

You are getting too pedantic about words. Words are irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that you understand that there exist much higher states of consciousness than your current state. Stop acting like what I am saying is so paradoxical and confusing. It isn't. It is so clear a child could understand me.

Ant >> rat >> chimp >> human >> nondual human >> alien >> God level 1 >> God level 2 >> God level 3 >> etc

When you make any argument to me, that is coming from your existing state of consciousness. Your arguments have zero validity in higher states. This includes all arguments made by nondualists and Buddhists and enlightened people. Literally nothing you say matters because none of it exists at a higher state.

If you do not understand this, I don't know how to help you.

Edited by Leo Gura

You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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