Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

[Leo Gura]

37 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

I recall you mentioned you had thyroid issues ( I’m not sure you said hypo or hyper). If it is a case that it down regulates, this is actually a pathway that extends chemical binding in receptors so your nervous system has more time to stabilise and explore in the altered state compared to other people making it more accessible to you to have profound insights. 

It is unwise to make such simplistic assumptions about such a complex and murky topic.

My receptivity to psychedelics is totally unique and freakish. Nobody who I ever met has my receptivity to psychedelics.

I can trip deeper and longer on 1mg of THC than you guys can on 30mgs of 5-MeO-DMT.

I can trip hard for 3hrs on 1mg of THC.

Edited yesterday at 11:11 AM by Leo Gura

[Basman]

On 11/10/2025 at 1:52 AM, Leo Gura said:

I will also turn that into an online course which will be much more affordable. But that will take time to create and of course the psychedelics you will have to source for yourself.

Isn't there a danger of people hurting themselves or getting into legal trouble when you put that info out there like that? People are dumb.

[UnbornTao]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No. I truly am conscious of God. Virtually no one else is.

Of course you can't know if that is true. But I'm saying it is true.

I am so conscious of God that nothing humans say about God is correct. It's all illusions. And my consciousness of God is not an illusion.

Sounds unfair, but that's how it is. It's nothing personal.

The point is that if it isn't "true," then don't call it enlightenment (or anything similar) in the first place.

Then again, the trueness isn't found in what is said, or even in what is gotten across. So it was already the case that, even if you were the only one who is conscious of God, what you said about it wouldn't be accurate either, because this matter is by nature "un-conveyable."

So, you are (or may be, for all we know) "enlightened." 

Edited yesterday at 10:57 AM by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Basman said:

Isn't there a danger of people hurting themselves or getting into legal trouble when you put that info out there like that? People are dumb.

People take psychedelics all the time without me telling them too.

Pioneering psychedelic work is my lifes work. I'm not going to stop just because some immature person abuses them. I have serious work to do. Even if you kill yourself my work will continue until I teach mankind about how to use these tools properly.

I don't care who is dumb, I have important things to teach. I am not going to stop my work for dumb people.

Edited yesterday at 10:54 AM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

The point is that, if it isn't "true", then don't call it enlightenment (or similar) in the first place.

Then again, the trueness isn't found on what is said, or even on what is gotten across. So it was already the case that even if you were conscious of God, what you said about it wouldn't be accurate either, because this matter is by nature "un-conveyable."

You are (or may be, for all we know) "enlightened."

I am saying that what you consider true enlightenment is just a weak form of consciousness, obstructing a much great form of consciousness.

But hey, suit yourself.

If you have convinced yourself that you have maxed out your consciousness, God himself can't help you.

Edited yesterday at 10:50 AM by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am saying that what you consider true enlightenment is just a weak form of consciousness.

Weak relative to what? Are you sure you're not referring to a state?

Again, Maharshi was "enlightened."

Edited yesterday at 10:52 AM by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Weak relative to what? Are you sure you're not referring to a state?

Again, Ramana was "enlightened."

You are not conscious that Ramana is a fiction.

Weak relative to what you could be conscious of.

Edited yesterday at 10:55 AM by Leo Gura

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Mushrooms are not easy. Mushrooms will fuck you up bad. It all depends on the dose.

What are your thoughts on truffles? I've taken truffles a couple of times, but I was too immature at the time to really use them to their true potential at the time. I don't experience with a breath of different psychedelics, but truffles feel like a simple psychedelic that enhances your ability to contemplate deeply with little faff. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Basman said:

What are your thoughts on truffles? I've taken truffles a couple of times, but I was too immature at the time to really use them to their true potential at the time. I don't experience with a breath of different psychedelics, but truffles feel like a simple psychedelic that enhances your ability to contemplate deeply with little faff. 

I don't take plants, I use pure chemicals.

Psilocybin is a hardcore chemical at a high dose.

Your truffles were just weak. If they were a strong dose you would be crying for mommy.

I guess it's hard to eat a large enough volume of truffles to get stupidly high. A good thing for the kids who take them.

Edited yesterday at 11:02 AM by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My receptivity to psychedelics is totally unique and freakish. Nobody who I ever met has my receptivity to psychedelics.

I can trip deeper and longer on 1mg of THC than you guys can on 30mgs of 5-MeO-DMT.

I can trip HARD for 3hrs on 1mg of THC.

 

@Leo GuraI don't think it's that unique at all. Two of my friends are even more receptive as you. I know that because I know what dose you took.

Yes you can trip deeper and longer on 1 mg of THC because you have a bunch of Meo breakthroughs in your background. You even realized yourself after your first 5 Meo breakthrough to infinity that your sensitivity to psychedelics change after that. Your mushroom trip was incredible more powerful. It's all thanks to your breakthroughs and not because of your genetics.

A friend of mine had around 10 breakthroughs on 5 Meo and if he smokes a simple cigarette he already trips to godlike states. I bet if he had like you over 100 breakthrough he would just trip permanently on every breath he takes.

 

[Schizophonia]

@Leo Gura When you try to show me that communism doesn't work, are you consciously playing ?

[Schizophonia]

52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

1mg of THC.

It's tiny !

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, OBEler said:

 

@Leo GuraI don't think it's that unique at all. Two of my friends are even more receptive as you. I know that because I know what dose you took.

Yes you can trip deeper and longer on 1 mg of THC because you have a bunch of Meo breakthroughs in your background. You even realized yourself after your first 5 Meo breakthrough to infinity that your sensitivity to psychedelics change after that. Your mushroom trip was incredible more powerful. It's all thanks to your breakthroughs and not because of your genetics.

A friend of mine had around 10 breakthroughs on 5 Meo and if he smokes a simple cigarette he already trips to godlike states. I bet if he had like you over 100 breakthrough he would just trip permanently on every breath he takes.

I don't know that 5-MeO caused that.

I think I would be as sensitive without the 5-MeO.

It's not just the chemical, it's also my depth of understanding of the ontology and epistemology at play here.

But, sure, some people could be as sensitive as me. I just haven't seen it. I've seen the opposite: people take powerful chems and don't realize jack shit. Like shooting an elephant with a BB gun.

We'll see how sensitive you guys are at the retreat.

Edited yesterday at 12:07 PM by Leo Gura

[Clarence]

@Leo Gura Is preparing for the retreat your top priority right now?

[Adrian colby]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

It is unwise to make such simplistic assumptions about such a complex and murky topic.

My receptivity to psychedelics is totally unique and freakish. Nobody who I ever met has my receptivity to psychedelics.

I can trip deeper and longer on 1mg of THC than you guys can on 30mgs of 5-MeO-DMT.

I can trip for 3hrs on 1mg of THC.

I’m not downplaying the complexity of it ( I’m not expanding what I’ve looked into for the sake of not putting a thesis into a reply)

I get what you’re saying and respect that but I’d also caution the assumption you’re making. We all have variations to differing degrees and they do affect how we respond. You’re not the only freak out there. 

For example: regarding THC, @1mg or less, I stay in it for 7 hrs+
that equates to more time to stabilise and look around. I get the same on any substance regardless of dose. it’s not a pissing contest ( that doesn’t equate to deeper insights unless one knows how to contemplate or observe using these as a tool which is why I think your retreats will be a whole different ballgame for people to teach them and guide them how to do that more efficiently without projecting their bias onto the experience) . The length and depth I can go in doesn’t change that but the way I use and understand my mind does. 

 I do limit dose because beyond a certain point it becomes pointless. My 5MeO limit is 14mg. beyond that it’s just noise and no insights occur( that maybe just the way my person is built or the ointment at which my intellect becomes useless… when I say intellect I’m refering to the platonic description of that part of the mind that knows god not the human logic and reasoning centre) . I get about 40-50mins in that state while others around me come out at 20 or less. They also don’t contemplate or observe, they react so I’m surrounded by crying, screaming, rolling and vomiting and often just freak out confused instead of integrating! I’ve had a few very welcome isolated facilitations without all that ( in the Netherlands).

The extension of time and depth I go in, baffled and somewhat frightened my local facilitator including the insights I came out with and until recently I wasn’t aware that my genetic mutation was involved in the same metabolic pathways as breaking down a variety of substances. Which may explain why this is happening. 
 

my medical condition is partly caused by a genetic mutation responsible for neurodivergent development, hormones, receptors, regulation, neurology, sexual development. ( I get receptor starvation because my hormones are not metabolised efficiently so I need HRT to increase the amount.  Meaning in regards to certain substances, my p450 enzyme is down regulated and the substance isn’t broken down properly and is in my receptor for longer keeping the pathway of perception open ( I’m simplifying, not going into explicit detail here. I do know the details and the gaps in the research). That same enzyme and sub cyp’s is known to break down a selection of medications and plant medicines and it does it ‘slower’ in my case making my endocrine system less efficient but benefiting my psychedelic use because it slows the metabolising of them down giving me more time to settle, go deeper and explore in those states. I’m suspecting it would be similar in your case although the pathway is different it would still be linked to the p450 enzyme production. 

the first THC experience I ever had, the dose was less than 1mg. I didn’t even finish it I went straight into 5MeO state and I recognise it well.

(5MeO was the closest description I could find to what I experienced sober- my first awakening after a spate of contemplative/deconstructive work and meditation so it was the first substance I ever took or worked with.)

The THC facilitator freaked out because my body collapsed unconscious as though I had just puffed 5MeO or DMT and he had never had that happen before. 

I went straight into infinite singularity and couldn’t get out of that state until I figured out how to ‘create’ reality. I remember one of your videos about reality is being ‘imagined’ at an ontological level but until this trip I didn’t understand because I didn’t have direct experience of it. I literally had to imagine a boundary outside of myself to imagine a reality in and imagine every finite detail of absolutely everything and hold it as a belief that it was real in order to maintain the experience of a reality at all. It took forever. I literally had to recreate the universe I just dissolved to re project my awareness back into it. I understood it then. This happened after a month long contemplative deconstruction process that ended in the throwing away of any and all beliefs about anything. The same process that led to my sober awakening experience before I had ever heard of a psychedelic. 

the facilitator wasn’t aware you could go to that level on THC but I explained you could do that on any substance. It’s more to do with how you use and understand the mechanism of your own mind and how well you go between observing and mapping without rigidly solidifying any of it. 
 

I’ve no doubt you’ve reached the levels and insights you have and you’ve dedicated your purpose to this. it’s a great service to have access to your experiences albeit indirectly because we’re not all going to go there.
 

I’m not disputing any of this. You’ve had the time and opportunity to go to these depths. Others haven’t had the same amount of time or opportunity to dedicate towards this. That doesn’t mean they can’t and it doesn’t make you exclusively freakish ( yes it does to the majority here but not the only one who can) and there maybe a mechanism to unlocking that block ( receptor binding time) . Is all I’m saying, it’s worth looking at for someone with any interest. 
 

I have experienced this and I am aware of the mechanism within me that may explain why I can go there when others can’t. As you say, just another freak. 

 

 

[vibv]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I am so conscious of God that nothing humans say about God is correct. It's all illusions. And my consciousness of God is not an illusion.

That's how it will be forever. But see it this way: We're in reality merely tellers of stories. If this is unavoidable, let's at least tell the greatest story that this cosmos has ever seen.

Let's live life like the most beautiful work of art—because it is. Including the fact that we are simultaneously experiencing it. Every moment a masterpiece, including its seamless transition into the next. It is all One Moment Forever. And we're in it together.

Language is not able to carry those things in the end. Which is precisely the genius of it  

Edited yesterday at 01:15 PM by vibv

[Someone here]

Regarding the discussion about god and who's conscious of how much of God etc ..

Just a question:  how can God be an object of knowledge if God is infinity ? How can you possibly grasp the totality of infinity at once ? It's not possible by definition . So yes you can always go deeper and deeper . Or you can simply go meta and realize its a never ending deepening process and just chill out and watch a movie or something. 

Also the notion of deconstructing "sanity " is not nesscary at all and it would repel people from joining your project . Who the hell wants to go insane ? Also two seconds of looking inside your mind can reveal you're already insane .no need to pay money for it .

Just few thoughts. 

Edited yesterday at 01:18 PM by Someone here

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No. I truly am conscious of God. Virtually no one else is.

Of course you can't know if that is true. But I'm saying it is true.

I am so conscious of God that nothing humans say about God is correct. It's all illusions. And my consciousness of God is not an illusion.

Sounds unfair, but that's how it is. It's nothing personal.

I know bro .I totally feel you . Me too. But what could help a little bit is realizing humans don't even exist ..not really .

[vibv]

Just now, Someone here said:

I know bro .I totally feel you . Me too. But what could help a little bit is realizing humans don't even exist ..not really .

I'd say there are more, but language is too limited to spot them by that alone.

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, vibv said:

I'd say there are more, but language is too limited to spot them by that alone.

I'm not sure what you're saying ..can you elaborate pls ?