What’s an opinion?

[PurpleTree]

We have opinions.

We have opinions on this.

We have opinions on that.

We have opinions about others opinions.

Hey look at me i’m so opinionated.

But what are opinions?

[UnbornTao]

Is it a form of judgment (whether good or bad)? Or is it more of a preference or liking? Seems to be entirely subjective - up to the individual. A particular form of subjective assessment?

A fact could be seen as the antithesis of an opinion - in my opinion.

"Blue is my favorite color"

Edited Sunday at 02:35 PM by UnbornTao

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Is it a form of judgment (whether good or bad)? Or is it more of a preference? Seems to be entirely subjective - up to the individual. A particular form of subjective assessment?

A fact could be seen as the antithesis of an opinion - in my opinion.

Is that your opinion? 

[UnbornTao]

23 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Is that your opinion? 

I guess.

What is not an opinion? (I'm not implying that everything is an opinion)

Edited Sunday at 02:54 PM by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

33 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

"Blue is my favorite color"

Or rather: "blue is the best color."

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

I guess.

What is not an opinion? 

I don’t know.

In language terms maybe a question?

Like do we need those opinions?

Who has those opinions?

[Salvijus]

Your personal conclusion of what you believe the truth to be. 

Edited Sunday at 03:49 PM by Salvijus

[UnbornTao]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I don’t know.

In language terms maybe a question?

Like do we need those opinions?

Who has those opinions?

Observation and fact - among other things- I wouldn't categorize as opinion, so that's that. 3+2 = 5 isn't an opinion.

Not really, I think. 

You? 

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Your personal conclusion of what you believe the truth to be. 

Sounds good. Is there some kind of emotional charge and value assessment there? Such as liking and disliking? 

[Hojo]

A logical conclusion. You can conclude logic at any point and there lies your opinion.

Edited Sunday at 06:00 PM by Hojo

[UnbornTao]

19 minutes ago, Hojo said:

A logical conclusion. You can conclude logic at any point and there lies your opinion.

Wouldn't that be painting with broad strokes, though? Would it then follow that every form of logical conclusion is an opinion?

Based on second-hand evidence and consensus - since none of us has been to outer space (as far as I know) - we can logically conclude that the Earth is round. Even though this is fundamentally a valid, widely-accepted belief, would it be accurate to think of it as an opinion?

Edited Sunday at 06:20 PM by UnbornTao

[Hojo]

@UnbornTaoI would say every form of logical conclusion is an opinion. Whats at the end of your logic? It must be your opinion what else is it?

Someone tell you something about something could be your logical conclusion if you dont look further. If someone gave you information that didnt line up with your logic you wouldnt hold what they say as an opinion you have.

Edited Sunday at 06:34 PM by Hojo

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Sounds good. Is there some kind of emotional charge and value assessment there? Such as liking and disliking? 

What you feel depends on your relationship with the subject matter. And the meaning you've ascribed to the subject matter will shape your relationship with it. And your relationship with something is what produces the feeling. They all go together.

Short answer: yes. 

Edited Sunday at 07:14 PM by Salvijus

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I think it is more ones view, judgement, value attribution to a 'thing' when there isn't a priority placed on truth, but personal bias. 

Mostly I would say... I have to think some more. Beep bop haven't had coffee yet 🤪

Edited Sunday at 07:11 PM by Natasha Tori Maru

[UnbornTao]

47 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@UnbornTaoI would say every form of logical conclusion is an opinion. Whats at the end of your logic? It must be your opinion what else is it?

Someone tell you something about something could be your logical conclusion if you dont look further. If someone gave you information that didnt line up with your logic you wouldnt hold what they say as an opinion you have.

How do you see logical conclusions?

I'd say observation, proof, hypothesis, theories, feedback, unbiased assessments, inferences, and so on. It seems opinions reside in too superficial a domain depending on where they're being applied. "Wool generally comes from sheep" - that may be regarded as factual. Whether you like the kind of shirt made from it is another matter - subject to opinion.

I don't quite follow your second sentence. Could the information itself still differ in nature from an opinion? I might, for example, share a mathematical formula with you, in which case whatever is personally opined about the information would be a moot point, it seems to me.

Edited Sunday at 07:22 PM by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

14 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

What you feel depends on your relationship with the subject matter. And the meaning you've ascribed to the subject matter will shape your relationship with it. And your relationship with something is what produces the feeling. They all go together.

Short answer: yes. 

Got it, thanks.

[Princess Arabia]

Every statement, every comment, every response and everything said on this forum that is a person's point of view and not factual. It also doesn't have to have been concluded because people can change their opinions at any time depending on some other thing or statement they've heard.

[Eskilon]

The opposite of fact.

Or is it？

[Hojo]

@UnbornTao Yes the information of opinion can differ from logical fact. You only have to take logic as far as you want to. Your opinions don't have to be facts or logically sound. 

You use logic to come up with them but you can stop the logic at any point and the point where you do stop the logic is your opinion.

Like someone can tell you something that makes logical sense to you and you can stop the logic train right there and thats your opinion. You could keep the logic going and come to a different position and that would be your new opinion.

A persons opinion dosent have to be completely logical but you just use some logic to form an opinion. Whether its baby retard logic or well thought out dosent matter.

If someone came up to you said red is wet because the sun is shining your logic could not agree with that because its nonsensical. The person could be being logical to themselves but if your logic dosent follow theirs then you cant form an opinion on it. So we must have some form of logic to form an opinion. The opinion being the logic conclusion we come too.

Edited Sunday at 09:17 PM by Hojo

[ChrisZoZo]

@PurpleTree a perspective, and a perspective is the narrowing down of absolute infinity. 
 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, ChrisZoZo said:

@PurpleTree a perspective, and a perspective is the narrowing down of absolute infinity. 
 

So, a limit?