PurpleTree

What’s an opinion?

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13 hours ago, Hojo said:

@UnbornTao Yes the information of opinion can differ from logical fact.

I meant that information can be about something other than opinion, but I see what you're saying here.

13 hours ago, Hojo said:

You only have to take logic as far as you want to. Your opinions don't have to be facts or logically sound. 

You use logic to come up with them but you can stop the logic at any point and the point where you do stop the logic is your opinion.

Like someone can tell you something that makes logical sense to you and you can stop the logic train right there and thats your opinion. You could keep the logic going and come to a different position and that would be your new opinion.

A persons opinion dosent have to be completely logical but you just use some logic to form an opinion. Whether its baby retard logic or well thought out dosent matter.

I don't see why it would automatically have to be an opinion. Couldn't the position you arrive at be an observation, hypothesis, educated guess, etc? You could even not make up your mind about the matter, instead deciding to leave it open. 

I'm not very lucid now 😆

Also, are we sure our focus on logic is adequate here?

13 hours ago, Hojo said:

If someone came up to you said red is wet because the sun is shining your logic could not agree with that because its nonsensical. The person could be being logical to themselves but if your logic dosent follow theirs then you cant form an opinion on it. So we must have some form of logic to form an opinion. The opinion being the logic conclusion we come too.

Fair. We can also see by your example that opinion is often a frivolous matter. Logic could still be used to correct that wrong position, or one could simply admit that there's something more to discover. 

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@UnbornTao I would put opinion in a higher category as observation and hypothesis and educated guess. I think those 3 are subcategories of opinion. Like your opinion drives those 3. Or its the metaphysical end of those things. The opinion dosent exist its just what you say yes too. I say a fact is just opinions shared by multiples of beings.

Opinion and beleif are similar imo. Beleif trumps logic and facts to the subject.

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21 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

So, a limit? :D

Well, when you have an opinion, is it absolutely infinite in all directions? Then it has it is a limit. 


Anyone who says they’re enlightened on this form in anyway is not, except me I am. 

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On 28/09/2025 at 3:23 PM, PurpleTree said:

We have opinions.

We have opinions on this.

We have opinions on that.

We have opinions about others opinions.

Hey look at me i’m so opinionated.

But what are opinions?

Imho an opinion is something you believe to be true. 

For example, in my opinion, I am a human being. But, its not only my opinion, but fact, that I am (not saying anything about that I).

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Opinions are like noses, everyone's got one and they usually have a couple holes in 'em

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21 hours ago, Hojo said:

@UnbornTao I would put opinion in a higher category as observation and hypothesis and educated guess. I think those 3 are subcategories of opinion. Like your opinion drives those 3. Or its the metaphysical end of those things. The opinion dosent exist its just what you say yes too. I say a fact is just opinions shared by multiples of beings.

Opinion and beleif are similar imo. Beleif trumps logic and facts to the subject.

Bring up examples of opinion, belief, observation, and hypothesis - preferably in the same context or regarding the same subject or claim.

I'd say facts and observations are generally more reliable or accurate than merely offering an opinion. Opinion, as I currently see it (is this view itself an opinion?), is like a frivolous "commentary" on something. It might be subjective in nature. Put in its place, it is appropiate, but nothing more than that. It is not conclusive. When it comes to understanding, skill, truth, or performance, opinion is almost completely irrelevant.

For example, we make a distinction between what an opinion is, and our opinions about it.

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etymology of opinion, by GPT: 

  • The Latin word “opinĭo” (or opinio) meant belief, expectation, or judgment.
  • This comes from “opinari”, which is a verb meaning to think, suppose, or have a belief.
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@UnbornTaoCan you hold a fact of reality without having the same opinion on it?

All the facts of reality that you can not hold an opinion on it are subjective and cant be defined that way. Like preferred taste smell or textures.

observation and hypothesis are just facts that act the same way. 

I am not sure what kind of examples you are looking for as all these words mean the same thing (pretty much) to me.

The only thing I can think of it the pencil is brown, when I observe it I make a hypothesis that its brown based on the cones in my eye turning it brown. Therefore this makes me believe that its brown and thats my opinion. 

I can see a difference about opinion and fact that you can lie about your opinion. Generally if you lie about an opinion its cause you dont believe the 'norm' fact and just dont want to disagree. So its more malleable than a fact and trumps fact.

I would say there are no facts of life. Besides that it exists so facts are just a collection of opinions. And facts are hypothesis observation and beleifs and finally opinions people have.

Opinions are something people hold harder than facts because facts are not even theirs. Its a collective there arent facts with one person. So the opinion is something that the person is.

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How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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