I think Leo Gura should have children and close the forum.

[Schizophonia]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 I said it’s not the absolute pinnacle of life for every human. Just like sex and food. You can have those things and value them without putting it your number one thing . Not everyone values their own bloodline first and foremost: maybe they also value children in war that they’re not related to,

You've been smoking too much on your e-cigarette. I'm just saying that I'm not talking about lineage, maintaining the population, etc; my paradigm is openly egoistical.

I also didn't say that having children is the pinnacle, but that it's a very logical investment.

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

and wanna help people overall raise their consciousness, without having a need to love their own off spring in particular.

I also say this is an illusion; there is no consciousness to evolve.

There is a fluid matrix influenced by (one could say mirrored, to become somewhat non-dual again) an egregor, a social body.
Leo is not particularly healthy or evolved; spiritual people are far from being more healthy and evolved than average; precisely because they are not (come back non-dual again 🫨) a psychedelic trip, a spiritual work; they are THE WORLD.
The only way to "evolve" is to be social, because the implication that I am the world is the only way to give something to oneself, is to give it to other.

A Marxist would say that you are the result of your social body; I deeply agree, but this is fundamentally at odds with the idea of the evolution of consciousness, at least the model typically proposed by spiral dynamics.
Or even Jungian...

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

Love can be directed at many things, it could be metaphysical love, love for children is not necessarily “higher “ than any other form of love, could be self love, love for animals, humanity, for awakening.

If you're loving, you'll normally want children.
If you prefer a cat to a child because "it requires less effort," then you're a lazy or cowardly person.
But in life, you don't become happy by being lazy or cowardly, whatever the reasons; the end result is less vitality.

Even when you are hardworking because you are driven by neurosis, as is often the case with personal development coaches, you will see that the frequency towards which you will slide will be cowardice/physical weakness.

You can't love "awakening" or "humanity," it's meaningless. I don't believe it for a single second.

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

You say narcissistic, as  if people having children isn’t a lot of the time deeply selfish.

Ofc.

+ Be careful, narcicism and selfishness refer to different phenomena.
Eating apple pie is "selfish" but not at all narcissistic; engaging in political actions to show how virtuous you are is very narcissistic, but it is "altruistic."

If you see what i mean.

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

They extend their identity to their children, but identity could go even further, you could make it your identity to improve and care for the whole world. It can be limited or very expansive

No, it doesn't work.
It's a fantasy based on hot air.

[Schizophonia]

11 minutes ago, Alex4 said:

I hope Leo is not afraid to delete this thread. Belongs to the shit bin.
 

And I hope Leo has the shoulders to support a post on a forum, especially when he himself mades way more harsh assumptions about others.

You're not a man and you're projecting that onto Leo.

Edited Tuesday at 07:17 PM by Schizophonia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

What if Leo cannot have kids? Hashimoto's can fuck you up in ways you wouldn't expect. It's an autoimmune disease where your immune system tries to kill itself. The systematic issues it causes aren't a fun time (I have Hashimoto's also). Why would he disclose if he couldn't? 

This could be a brutal thing to project. If one cannot have kids, to be told they need to and are missing out is a kick to the guts.

Just a new way to frame it, not agreeing or disagreeing 🤪

[Alex4]

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

And I hope Leo has the shoulders to support a post on a forum, especially when he himself mades way more harsh assumptions about others.

You're not a man and you're projecting that onto Leo.

It’s funny because you start the post accusing Leo of making assumptions, and you end up making assumptions about me, when I haven’t done that at any point.
 

[Schizophonia]

45 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Imagine telling a guy literally exploring the peaks of human consciousness to instead resort to the most basic animalistic purpose of our species. lol 

This is precisely neurotic reasoning; what you don't see is that

1) There isn't a single action you take that isn't linked to survival, even if it's unconscious.
The reason you're on this forum, watching Leo and co.'s videos, is that it's unconsciously a way to gain power, to manage castration anxiety (loss, humiliation, etc.), in accordance with how you were raised by your parents and various early events.

2) You overvalue the intellectual weight of Leo's content.
Taking psychedelics and deducing that you're god is very easy.
Watching a two-hour video of Leo while cooking and pooping is easy; this spectrum of thoughts, if you can put it that way, doesn't require a particularly developed prefrontal cortex. Marx, Nietzsche, Deleuze, Lacan are intellectual giants, doing their work is already on another level, even Joe Dispenza, lol, to return to the theme of spirituality.
My mentor, Franck Lopvet, is at the level of Peter Ralton, maybe even above, if that means anything.
And most of these people have children; having a developed prefrontal cortex is different from having children or other ordinary activities.
In principle, when we try to distinguish ourselves in this way, it's because we're actually brain rot; a kind of coping.

Generally speaking, spirituality is a strategy for gaining power, if you are honest.

[Nemra]

@Alex4, he loves his projections too much.

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, Alex4 said:

It’s funny because you start the post accusing Leo of making assumptions, and you end up making assumptions about me, when I haven’t done that at any point.
 

I didn't accuse Leo; it's normal to make assumptions.
I said that if Leo makes so many assumptions, sometimes insulting ones, then he should be able to tolerate a thread where I question the reason for his libidinal investment choices.

Maybe I shouldn't have said "you're not a man," it's petty, but I intuitively mirrored the pettiness of your message.

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Alex4, he loves his projections too much.

Nemra projection 

Projectception

[Nemra]

What are you even talking about? 😩

Simply, Leo has a different set of values and tries to make conscious decisions the way he wants.

The End.

[Schizophonia]

9 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

What if Leo cannot have kids? Hashimoto's can fuck you up in ways you wouldn't expect. It's an autoimmune disease where your immune system tries to kill itself. The systematic issues it causes aren't a fun time (I have Hashimoto's also). Why would he disclose if he couldn't? 

This could be a brutal thing to project. If one cannot have kids, to be told they need to and are missing out is a kick to the guts.

Just a new way to frame it, not agreeing or disagreeing 🤪

I didn't know he had Hashimoto's, so his chronic fatigue comes from that ? 🤔

My mother has it ioo.

Everyone's been talking about this on this thread, but my point wasn't specifically about children; it was witticism, but more about the recognition of archetypes.

Right now, I'm trying to change my personality, but as a result, I've started intuitively rejecting and making comments (rather negative ones, even though I'm trying to be polite) about some of my usual mirrors, which project into me what I am (since otherwise they wouldn't be part of my world, automatically, eheh) but no longer want to be.

@Carl-Richard Was right in his joke, I will only become what I want to be when there is no longer this conflict.

[Rigel]

We should all keep this in mind😅

Yeah meth addiction doesn’t matter. Happiness doesn’t matter & suffering also doesn’t matter:)

But even more fucked up than that is the fact that things that make you unhappy make other people happy & vice versa. Not that it matters.

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

What are you even talking about? 😩

Simply, Leo has a different set of values and tries to make conscious decisions the way he wants.

The End.

Without questioning and challenge, there is no more intellectual progress, and no personal progress at all; since one must see one's energetic structure challenged in order to be moved.

[Nemra]

9 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Without questioning and challenge, there is no more intellectual progress, and no personal progress at all; since one must see one's energetic structure challenged in order to be moved.

There wasn't any genuine questioning about him here from you so that progress could be made.

You are not even close to him, which makes your theories mostly unhelpful or even pointless. You are wasting your time in that regard.

Your posts mostly reflect your mental processes, which maybe can be helpful to understand yourself better.

Edited Tuesday at 07:58 PM by Nemra

[Eskilon]

@Schizophonia There are no shoulds in reality. One can do whatever one wishes. You are actually projecting and being neurotic lmao.

[Schizophonia]

13 minutes ago, Nemra said:

 

You are not even close to him, which makes your theories mostly unhelpful or even pointless. You are wasting your time in that regard.

Close to him about what ? Why consider Leo as a God ;It is "just" an entrepreneur who became interested in psychedelics and philosophy.
he is good where he is good line any human being. 

I am the result of an entire life to think, to be interested in the politics of my country then psychoanalysis, and lots of trauma directly experienced or transgenerational; My paradigm is very solid and yes I propose point of views to Leo and other.

Giving points of view is already what we are all doing here, no one is untouchable.

A priori Actualized is not a sect.

10 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

@Schizophonia There are no shoulds in reality. One can do whatever one wishes.

There is no "must" because i am not a fascist but there are "could" and even "should" because all ways of living life don't worth the same.

Living in a barrel and smoking heroine is not worth being an IT engineer and eating vanilla ice cream

10 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

You are actually projecting and being neurotic lmao.

There is not a remark that is not of a projective nature.
So when you say that I project, you are right, but it is a way of delirious that you are superior to me, disguised disdain, to deny that I am also a projection, a mirror of what you are.

[ivankiss]

It says no mumbo jumbo yet someone is clearly smoking crack in here.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

I didn't know he had Hashimoto's, so his chronic fatigue comes from that ? 🤔

I think so - Hashimoto's can brutalise you systemically. I am BLOODY lucky I do not have CFS as my pathology is in remission.

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Right now, I'm trying to change my personality, but as a result, I've started intuitively rejecting and making comments (rather negative ones, even though I'm trying to be polite) about some of my usual mirrors, which project into me what I am (since otherwise they wouldn't be part of my world, automatically, eheh) but no longer want to be.

Interesting - are you attempting to look into why you may be drawn to Leo as a projection or a disowning of portions of your psyche?

I find examples of myself doing this whenever I judge someone. I am disowning a part of myself and reality externally by judging. So I pay attention to it as it is my brain filtering something out existentially. And I do not want to filter our parts of my reality. I am blocking out something within myself and only choosing to see it outside.

The mind is conscious of a lot more than we realise - but we learn to filter it all out in an attempt to 'know' and survive. I am constantly trying to destroy these filters within my spiritual process. 

Although it can be a hard balance - sometimes I pay attention to things that are irrelevant to survival  

[Xonas Pitfall]

6 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Imagine telling a guy literally exploring the peaks of human consciousness to instead resort to the most basic animalistic purpose of our species. lol 

HahahahahahHAHhahahahahHAHhahaha, I love you. Bless your comment 💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗

[Xonas Pitfall]

https://www.reddit.com/r/regretfulparents/

😓😓😓

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/regretfulparents/

😓😓😓

That subreddit breaks my heart - I always hope they do not damage the kids through life resentment