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How is suffering imaginary?

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Let us try to point to suffering? 

I can find pain in my body - my fucken elbow is angry at me after it made contact (quite ungracefully!) with the doorframe. I can point to the pain sensation.

But if you try to point to suffering .... 

Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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8 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Let us try to point to suffering? 

I can find pain in my body - my fucken elbow is angry at me after it made contact (quite ungracefully!) with the doorframe. I can point to the pain sensation.

But if you try to point to suffering .... 

What good is that beyond just being a word game?  I'm hungry right now and I can point to the place of bad feeling in my stomach. Call it suffering or pain or cheesecake doesn't matter .I have to eat something. 

 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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22 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What good is that beyond just being a word game?  I'm hungry right now and I can point to the place of bad feeling in my stomach. Call it suffering or pain or cheesecake doesn't matter .I have to eat something. 

It points to the fact it is in the mind - and could, therefore, be illusory. It is prompting investigation. 

So combative aren't we?

All this shit is a word game. It is all just pointers. Nothing said - not even a word, is what it is. Light can mean so much without context - light weight, turn on the light, light sleeper, light shade. All words are just games and pointers, so what is your point? Hmmmm? :P

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8 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It points to the fact it is in the mind - and could, therefore, be illusory.

So suffering can't be pointed to because it is in "the mind "? How about pointing to "the mind " 😂?  Obviously it's not the head or otherwise suffering can indeed be located in the body which makes your point false .

8 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

so what is your point?

What I just told you twice .:)

 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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All suffering ties to self survival, without a self to maintain or protect, there is no suffering. 

 

Check out "Ending Unnecesary Suffering" by Peter Ralston- gave me a whole new grasp on what suffering actually is and that you are doing it , it's not happening to you

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Just now, Someone here said:

So suffering can't be pointed to because it is in "the mind "? How about pointing to "the mind " 😂?  Obviously it's not the head or otherwise suffering can indeed be located in the body which makes your point false .

What I just told you twice .:)

Now you are back on track - as you are meant to ask these questions - so that IS the point!

My point was that suffering isn't physical. Do you think it is physical?

If it is not - what is it? 

Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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5 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

All suffering ties to self survival, without a self to maintain or protect, there is no suffering. 

 

Check out "Ending Unnecesary Suffering" by Peter Ralston- gave me a whole new grasp on what suffering actually is and that you are doing it , it's not happening to you

Exactly. That book explains it. We do it. 

The issue is people suffer huge ego backlash at the thought they might be responsible for it.

And don't get me wrong, suffering occurs because of survival - but there is A LOT of suffering generated as a result of the social domain that can be deleted.

Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Now you are back on track - as you are meant to ask these questions - so that IS the point!

My point was that suffering isn't physical. Do you think it is physical?

If it is not - what is it? 

Suffering Is physical and its synonymous with pain. You step your toe on the bed and it hurts then that's physical Suffering. I flirt with the wrong girl and she kicks me in the balls then that's physical Suffering again ;)

 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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Pain is physical for sure.

Suffering CAN be physical - as in it can be described as the broader experience that encapsulates pain - but you can have suffering without pain. So I would posit these are not synonymous. 

So are you sure suffering is totally physical?

If I suffer from sadness - what is going on there? Is sadness physical in its origin?

 

Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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@Natasha Tori Maru Yes suffering is totally physical . Sadness is how you feel .it's an emotion that you feel . Caused by chemicals going out of wack in your so called brain.

 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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@Someone here

Well you are doomed to suffer then, and in all the unnecessary ways we human beings cause.

I recommend 'Ending Unnecessary Suffering' by Peter Ralston.

Gluck

Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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