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Why one would not defend Israel ?

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9 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Israel is acting in demonic behavior. What else would you call it? Have you seen the photos and videos for the past 2 years? have you heard the official statements of the leadership. Just like the Nazi's spoke

 

Need i remind of you of 2005? 

 


 

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21 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Need i remind of you of 2005? 

 

We cant even agree on 48 so no. Anything that happens after is determined by what actually happened then. I don't care about your barbaric line of thinking that says "big ape stronger than small ape therefore big ape gets bananas" 

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13 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

We cant even agree on 48 so no. Anything that happens after is determined by what actually happened then. I don't care about your barbaric line of thinking that says "big ape stronger than small ape therefore big ape gets bananas" 

Well in 2005 israel withdrew and by 2007 Hamas gained control of the government but started launching rockets as soon as Israel withdrew.  Yes Israel still controlled the border but Hamas did not take a peaceful approach after Israel withdrew.  They could have sought peaceful means but they didn't.   They just wanted to crush Israel which led up to the 2023 attack. So no I don't feel like they are innocent at all.  

 

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22 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

We cant even agree on 48 so no. Anything that happens after is determined by what actually happened then. 

I disagree it's just that you have terrorist organizations running your governments. 

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8 hours ago, Nivsch said:

@Breakingthewall Israel too absorbed serious terror attacks for years but never reacted in this way until Oct7 which was 100 times worse.

We will see in the future. The British and others are not happy with the Islamic brotherhood. Islam is a mental virus very difficult to cure. Seems that is some cases culture works, but not in all, you could see in this forum. People needs identity, and Islam provides that. Anyway there are smart Muslims that realizes the toxicity of their "religion". In Iran are millions. Maybe Iran is the beginning of the awakening of the Muslims, but probably it's not going to happen 

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7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Breakingthewall what do you think of the conflict considering the history?

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Breakingthewall what do you think of the conflict considering the history?

We can talk about history for years, as has been done, seeing who is the biggest victim and who was most mistreated, or look to the future. 

Historically to me seems clear that the violence was started by Arabs, but it's not relevant now, what's relevant is looking forward 

What seems clear to me is that Muslims aren't interested in improving as a society, but rather in returning to the past and hating. With that attitude, the only thing possible is to keep them divided and weak, because if they gain strength, they will use it to try to destroy.

I don't understand how people don't see the horrible oppression that Islam represents. Just look at the countries of the Middle East, Sudan, Pakistan, or what's happening in Nigeria. Islam is madness, and having that around is a disgrace. Israel needs the strength to resist that. Europe and west are weak, emo society with a uncertain future, we will see what happens. 

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13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

t. Europe and west are weak, emo society with a uncertain future, we will see what happens. 

Well said.  Yeah the West really rose after WW2.  Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Churchill.   Those were men of wisdom that built it.  What we have now in the West is an embrassment.  But you're right there is too much custom and thus stage red/blue for the Middle East.  Israel is trying to rise above it but is constantly being dragged down. 

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1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well said.  Yeah the West really rose after WW2.  Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Churchill.   Those were men of wisdom that built it.  What we have now in the West is an embrassment.  But you're right there is too much custom and thus stage red/blue for the Middle East.  Israel is trying to rise above it but is constantly being dragged down. 

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

West has become emotional. Democracies function by manipulating people's emotions, which draw them toward one trend or another depending on their feelings. Politicians aren't managers or leaders, but rather trend-surfers. Then strong leaders like Putin or Xi stand out. That's life. Probably the far right is going to emerge in this scenario, and the fault is weakness. Germany, GB or France can't be that puppets

About islam, I think that a vibration is happening there. More and more Muslims are realizing of the toxicity of their religion/philosophy/political system. And they are speaking loud in the social media. Millions of Muslims see that they have being rised in a oppressive mental frame. They can't change easily because the family pressure is huge, but little by little they are emerging, and are smart and strong people 

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10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 Then strong leaders like Putin or Xi stand out. That's life.

If you like authoritarianism.  I don't like giving complete power to one person it is basically monarchy.  Thats all it is.  Now whether you think the US democracy is corrupt because of the politicians you might not be so far off.  


 

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3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I disagree it's just that you have terrorist organizations running your governments. 

If you can't see that 48 was wrong on the Jews then that will cloud your judgement on the rest of the conflict. It's so easy to see the the Jews unfairly started this and Palestinians never desired to fight Jews other than fighting from a reactionary place

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2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

We will see in the future. The British and others are not happy with the Islamic brotherhood. Islam is a mental virus very difficult to cure. Seems that is some cases culture works, but not in all, you could see in this forum. People needs identity, and Islam provides that. Anyway there are smart Muslims that realizes the toxicity of their "religion". In Iran are millions. Maybe Iran is the beginning of the awakening of the Muslims, but probably it's not going to happen 

Christianity is a middle eastern religion btw

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2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

What we have now in the West is an embrassment. 

You guys let women pretend to be men lol

Now you guys are the chicks lmao

Build statues of Tate, save the West

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2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

What seems clear to me is that Muslims aren't interested in improving as a society, but rather in returning to the past and hating. With that attitude, the only thing possible is to keep them divided and weak, because if they gain strength, they will use it to try to destroy.

I don't understand how people don't see the horrible oppression that Islam represents. Just look at the countries of the Middle East, Sudan, Pakistan, or what's happening in Nigeria. Islam is madness, and having that around is a disgrace. Israel needs the strength to resist that. Europe and west are weak, emo society with a uncertain future, we will see what happens. 

Blackrock is gonna own you. Not Islam.

Your destiny will exchange from Zionist Neo con hands into the hands of blackrock, state street, and vanguard

Not at any point was Islam a threat

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Idk where the conversation is but I’ll add this:

Palestine was always Arab land. Arabs had been in Palestine longer than Turks have been in Turkey or Hungarians and Hungary, for instance. The idea that because some vague ethnic polity called “Judea” existed in the region 3000 years ago doesn’t make the modern, 21st century land rightfully Jewish. 
 

With that being said, the creation of Israel was a response to the Holocaust and the world’s failures to protect Jews. Is it fair that Arabs had to have their land taken, their culture suppressed and their people killed for the world to atone for this mistake? No. But it’s also not fair to Jews - Israeli, or British, or Canadian, or Mexican - that antisemitism, even violent antisemitism - is still as common as being a sports fan or blaming everything on the government.


I can’t think of a single other ethnic group whose targeted hatred is as normalised as Jews. If I went around saying “I hate Mongolians!” or “I hate Swedes!” most people would do a double take and ask why. But if I go around saying “I hate Jews!” it’s possible even a majority of people will agree with me and even try to elect me president.

The world really fucking hates Jews. It’s sickening. 🤮 
 

But also fuck Netanyahu.

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40 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Idk where the conversation is but I’ll add this:

Palestine was always Arab land. Arabs had been in Palestine longer than Turks have been in Turkey or Hungarians and Hungary, for instance. The idea that because some vague ethnic polity called “Judea” existed in the region 3000 years ago doesn’t make the modern, 21st century land rightfully Jewish. 
 

With that being said, the creation of Israel was a response to the Holocaust and the world’s failures to protect Jews. Is it fair that Arabs had to have their land taken, their culture suppressed and their people killed for the world to atone for this mistake? No. But it’s also not fair to Jews - Israeli, or British, or Canadian, or Mexican - that antisemitism, even violent antisemitism - is still as common as being a sports fan or blaming everything on the government.


I can’t think of a single other ethnic group whose targeted hatred is as normalised as Jews. If I went around saying “I hate Mongolians!” or “I hate Swedes!” most people would do a double take and ask why. But if I go around saying “I hate Jews!” it’s possible even a majority of people will agree with me and even try to elect me president.

The world really fucking hates Jews. It’s sickening. 🤮 
 

But also fuck Netanyahu.

I think black people are more hated than Jews. Then after that Muslims are. It's just become so normal and agreed upon that blacks and muslims are basically monkeys that nobody even bats an eye or raises an eyebrow. People think black people have lower IQ just because they are black, and that they never knew how to write or use language. They think that a muslim man comes home from work, beats the shit out of his wife, and then the government gives him money for doing it. People go their entire lives thinking this is 100% true and then they die and their kids go on to do the same. It's kinda like that meme with the joker...and then everybody loses their minds. So when a Jew gets stereotyped it's definitely something that raises more flags

Africa is definitely the most oppressed continent with the most horrific history and present day circumstances due to unjust hatred

It's a European problem. It was easy for Jews to be corrupt in Europe, the European elites were corrupt themselves, then at some point they would scapegoat the Jews for all of the corruption (Jewish and European elite corruption) and then they would persecute them. Jews were never corrupt in Palestine before Zionism and they were never persecuted there

How much of Jewish hatred is their own doing? I bet you right now if they left Palestine and apologized and did the trials to lock up their genocidal leaders and gave back the land and paid reparations. I bet you not a single Arab would hate Jews.

 

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1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

You guys let women pretend to be men lol

Now you guys are the chicks lmao

Build statues of Tate, save the West

It's when I see your avatar, combined with posts like this, that I realize that gathering people from across the globe and cultures to exchange ideas together is a much more beautiful thing in theory than in practice...

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3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

If you like authoritarianism.  I don't like giving complete power to one person it is basically monarchy.  Thats all it is.  Now whether you think the US democracy is corrupt because of the politicians you might not be so far off.  

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I don't say that I like, just that now are getting more power due the weakness of democracy

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12 hours ago, Kid A said:

It's when I see your avatar, combined with posts like this, that I realize that gathering people from across the globe and cultures to exchange ideas together is a much more beautiful thing in theory than in practice...

Just like how expectations on women in the west is much better in theory than in practice

 

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13 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:


I can’t think of a single other ethnic group whose targeted hatred is as normalised as Jews. If I went around saying “I hate Mongolians!” or “I hate Swedes!” most people would do a double take and ask why. But if I go around saying “I hate Jews!” it’s possible even a majority of people will agree with me and even try to elect me president.

The world really fucking hates Jews. It’s sickening. 🤮 

That’s ridiculous. In the US Jews were the most positively viewed religious group overall according to polls from 2022 and many politicians and public figures had careers destroyed for antisemitic statements much less extreme than that.

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