Why one would not defend Israel ?

[Lyubov]

17 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I disagree it's just that you have terrorist organizations running your governments. 

You guys are colonizers and thieves and zionists though. Anyone relative to you (Israel) appears as a terrorist because it exposes your thievery and you don't liek that so you have to play victim. You guys stole your land and had to justify it through religious fantasies and made up history. Do a DNA test. These people lived in Europe for 800+ years. 

[Elliott]

19 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

 

With that being said, the creation of Israel was a response to the Holocaust and the world’s failures to protect Jews.

Are you familiar with The Haavara Agreement 

"an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist organizations signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. It was a major factor in making possible the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine between 1933 and 1939.[1]"

[Apparition of Jack]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

Are you familiar with The Haavara Agreement 

"an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist organizations signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. It was a major factor in making possible the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine between 1933 and 1939.[1]"

Yeah, 60,000. That’s a drop in the bucket compared to the 6,000,000 the Nazis ended up exterminating.

Yes the Nazis had a few half-assed ideas to deport Jews before WW2 broke out, but ultimately their end goal was always the extermination of the Jews. Otherwise the Final Solution wouldn’t have been implemented. 

I sometimes I feel like I’m going crazy in my defence of the utter depravity and evil of the Holocaust. You don’t even have to be a huge simp for Judaism to realise such an event shouldn’t befall anybody, let alone millions upon millions of defenceless European peasants.

 Other cultures have suffered trauma in the past, for sure, but the Holocaust was uniquely evil in its scale, speed and pure dehumanising terror used to enact it. If you, today, knew that within living memory a nation tried to wipe out literally your entire race and everyone in it (and damn nearly succeed too), you’d be pretty fucked up too. 

[Elliott]

6 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Yeah, 60,000. That’s a drop in the bucket compared to the 6,000,000 the Nazis ended up exterminating.

Yes the Nazis had a few half-assed ideas to deport Jews before WW2 broke out, but ultimately their end goal was always the extermination of the Jews. Otherwise the Final Solution wouldn’t have been implemented. 

I sometimes I feel like I’m going crazy in my defence of the utter depravity and evil of the Holocaust. You don’t even have to be a huge simp for Judaism to realise such an event shouldn’t befall anybody, let alone millions upon millions of defenceless European peasants.

 Other cultures have suffered trauma in the past, for sure, but the Holocaust was uniquely evil in its scale, speed and pure dehumanising terror used to enact it. If you, today, knew that within living memory a nation tried to wipe out literally your entire race and everyone in it (and damn nearly succeed too), you’d be pretty fucked up too. 

I think you're changing the subject, The Haavara Agreement was the beginning of modern Israel, it was before the Holocaust, Ashkenazi zionism and colonialism was before the Holocaust. 

 

"Zionist Association for Germany was a Zionist organisation in Germany that was formed in 1897 in Cologne by Max Bodenheimer, together with David Wolffsohn and Fabius Schach.[1] I"

"Max Isidor Bodenheimer settled in Palestine in 1935."

 Together with Moritz Levy, David Wolffsohn and Rahel Apfel, they founded the "National-Jewish Association", from which the Zionist Association for Germany emerged in 1897.[1] In 1893 he published the pamphlet Volks- oder Salonjudenthum? Schach attended the 1st Zionist Congress in 1897 and took part in the formulation of the Basel Program.[2]

 

Basel Program

"Zionism seeks to establish a home in Palestine for the Jewish people, secured under public law.[6]

To achieve this goal, the Congress envisages the following means:

1. The expedient promotion of the settlement of Jewish agriculturists, artisans, and tradesmen in Palestine.

2. The organization and bringing together of all Jews through local and general events, according to the laws of the various countries.

3. The strengthening of Jewish feeling and national consciousness.

4. Preparatory steps for obtaining the governmental approval which is necessary to the achievement of the Zionist purpose."

 

"The Basel Program was the first manifesto of the Zionist movement, drafted between 27 and 30 August 1897 and adopted unanimously at the First Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland, on 30 August 1897."

 

 

 

Even without all that, how does the Germans killing jews, justify giving the jews Palestine, taking it from Palestinians

Edited yesterday at 12:52 PM by Elliott

[Inliytened1]

On 10/2/2025 at 1:51 AM, Twentyfirst said:

You guys let women pretend to be men lol

Now you guys are the chicks lmao

Build statues of Tate, save the West

Some people are born in the wrong body.  Allowing it is probably the best thing about it not the worst.  

[Inliytened1]

On 10/2/2025 at 4:16 PM, Lyubov said:

You guys are colonizers and thieves and zionists though. Anyone relative to you (Israel) appears as a terrorist because it exposes your thievery and you don't liek that so you have to play victim. You guys stole your land and had to justify it through religious fantasies and made up history. Do a DNA test. These people lived in Europe for 800+ years. 

You are brainwashed to think the land was stolen.  It was won via war.  We are colonizers and thieves and zionists? Which one is it?   Are zionists thieves? Look dude- the Jews have been put through enough hell to know they needed to fight and take what they want to be theirs.  Just like any other nation.  Just like the United States over Great Britain..just like  Alexander the Great and many other leaders that took land via conquest.   Stop bitching and complaining.  Israel withdrew in 2005 and Hamas proceeded to pound Israel via rocket rather than seek peace.  So you see things through a bias lens.  Stop letting the left feed you stuff without taste testing the food.  Some food needs to be spit out.