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Why one would not defend Israel ?

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1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

I am Jewish..

Then you have become a Nazi incapable of humane behavior 

Hitler won

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50 minutes ago, MightyMind said:

@Inliytened1 As a jew, what do you think of Twentyfirst's comment "The other half is YOU white fuckers (unless you are Jewish I can't tell) have been oppressing Jews for 2,000 years just as a sport of pleasure"? Do you think this is accurate or do you think there's more to the story? 

He's confused. He thinks the same people who oppressed him are somehow his friend and he hates the Palestinians who took in Jewish refugees after the their oppression. He can't give a valuable answer 

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37 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

He's confused. He thinks the same people who oppressed him are somehow his friend and he hates the Palestinians who took in Jewish refugees after the their oppression. He can't give a valuable answer 

Where are you getting anyone hates the Palestinians? No one hates anyone.   My argument was against the claims of genocide.  Hamas attacked on Oct 7th not the jews.   Are you OK man?  You seem to be getting emotional and attacked @PurpleTree pretty hard.  Take it easy.  The discussion was based on the posts in other threads where Israel has been demonized for what they are doing but no one is demonizing Hamas here even though they are enabling the deaths of Palestinians because they refuse to return the hostages. 

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2 hours ago, MightyMind said:

@Inliytened1 As a jew, what do you think of Twentyfirst's comment "The other half is YOU white fuckers (unless you are Jewish I can't tell) have been oppressing Jews for 2,000 years just as a sport of pleasure"? Do you think this is accurate or do you think there's more to the story? 

He should give me some examples first rather than just a blanket claim but regardless of course the Jews have been persecuted by many peoples but what does this have to do with the conversation.  Is he saying i shouldn't support the US becsuse they are backing Israel?  That's absurd.

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53 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Then you have become a Nazi incapable of humane behavior 

Hitler won

Hitler would win if israel didn't learn from it and sat back like weaklings. No one else is going to keep them in existence but themselves. 

 

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On 9/30/2025 at 11:49 AM, Carl-Richard said:

If the argument is that it's not a genocide because the immense starvation, displacement and death is "not intentional", there are a few problems with that. "Our intention was to deliver 3000 calories of food per day per person to Gaza, but Hamas steals 80% of it". Ok, if you fail to give them food, you recognize that you fail to give them food and why it's happening, but you continue the war, is that not intentional?

It's like if they used trucks where they knew that 80% of the trucks would break down before the border, but they continue the war and blame the truck manufacturers, wouldn't you say they are now intentionally starving the people? You have to be very critical of the frame-setting where blame is shifted towards the opponents. Because as long as you're actively taking action in a direction, no matter the blame of others and no matter how seemingly justified you make it appear by referencing Oct 7th, there is always blame there from your side.

The argument clearly here is that it's ethnic cleansing.  And I don't see it.  Israel was attacked and then they want their hostages returned.   Their end goal isn't to get rid of the Palestinians.  The argument on Palestinian rights is another discussion.  But that is different from ethnic cleansing.  Hamas is continuing the war just as much because they refuse to give the hostages back and surrender.   If Israel let that slide it would be a sign to give Hamas hope to rebuild and attack them again.  And they have a right to get their hostages back. That is the perspective they are coming from. 

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@Inliytened1 The problem is that Ben Gvir and Smotrich parties that have together 14 mandates (out of 120 Knesset members) DO want ethnic cleansing, and Netanyahu depend on them to maintain his government, what can explain the destruction in Gaza.

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24 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Inliytened1 The problem is that Ben Gvir and Smotrich parties that have together 14 mandates (out of 120 Knesset members) DO want ethnic cleansing, and Netanyahu depend on them to maintain his government, what can explain the destruction in Gaza.

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 Well that hadn't happened (Palestinians being forced out) when Hamas attacked.  This doesn't justify anything just because they thought they were going to be forced out.   If that were to happen -and it's not what is happening- and Bibi went back on his words - then I would see things differently. But also remember that Ben Givir may fear that not taking further action would end in Israel's demise by allowing Hamas to rise.

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@Inliytened1 Israel was created through ethnic cleansing and further occupation, theft, and violence. A century long oppression campaign that has never ended. Jews have become the Nazis 

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4 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

@Inliytened1 Israel was created through ethnic cleansing and further occupation, theft, and violence. A century long oppression campaign that has never ended. Jews have become the Nazis 

If you really want to tell the whole story no Israel had to fight for everything they have.  You don't crucify Hamas for fighting for what they want..which is to allow the prolonged bloodshed by refusing to surrender.  It is this kind of violence that Israel rose up against.  So don't hate the hated.


 

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You guys may not say racism directly but everyone on this forum, including Leo, have EXREME AMOUNTS of automatically assumed false stereotypes that have become consensus reality and can never be let go of. The Middle East HAS women's rights abuses and HAS gays being stoned. These stereotypes border on racism 

"This is a fact and we can't be told anything different (even though none of us have actually traveled there or looked into it past boomer war propaganda designed to get the people behind stealing resources)"

Everything that they do in Iran, Russia, China, and other places is put under a super sensitive microscope and any wrong move is automatically the worst possible intention and result. But anything that happens under a white country is excusable and just due to the culture and people and it's okay because "we are more developed than you, it's time you catch up". Everything in Africa is corrupt, everyone in China is brainwashed, men in Russia beat their wives after drinking too much vodka, everyone in North Korea is on the verge of starvation. I mean how foolish is this? It's just an old stereotype that you would hate to let go of because then you have to let go of this bullshit sense of superiority

It's kinda how those feminists say "okay what you said was true but I didn't like the tone of it so thats why I freaked out and broke everything". I could say women get treated in a certain way in the Middle East and the same thing happens in the USA but since you know I was speaking about the ME you get triggered not at the action but the origin of the action. If we did blind tests and I showed you articles of corruption but without telling you the country you would say "It's Saudi Arabia I knew that they were corrupt" meanwhile the article very well could just be an everyday USA news 

You guys never look at other cultures for new experiences, to learn from them, to explore them, to see their beauty. You are just looking for any savagery you can create in your mind or anything that you can stretch into something bigger than it is so you can "expose" it and then show how you live better and how they need to live like you if they want to be seen as equally human

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2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If you really want to tell the whole story no Israel had to fight for everything they have.  You don't crucify Hamas for fighting for what they want..which is to allow the prolonged bloodshed by refusing to surrender.  It is this kind of violence that Israel rose up against.  So don't hate the hated.

Israel is much older than Hamas

Israel stole Palestine because of what the Nazis did to the Jews

Palestine had nothing to do with Nazism. Nothing at all

You brain hates this because you can't explain it without brining up Hamas, hostages, or oct 7

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2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

The argument clearly here is that it's ethnic cleansing.  And I don't see it.  Israel was attacked and then they want their hostages returned.   Their end goal isn't to get rid of the Palestinians.  The argument on Palestinian rights is another discussion.  But that is different from ethnic cleansing.  Hamas is continuing the war just as much because they refuse to give the hostages back and surrender.   If Israel let that slide it would be a sign to give Hamas hope to rebuild and attack them again.  And they have a right to get their hostages back. That is the perspective they are coming from. 

Would it be ethnic cleansing if Gaza ends up 100% Jewish "on accident"?

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14 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

 

Israel stole Palestine because of what the Nazis did to the Jews

 

No they just fought for their own state.

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6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No they just fought for their own state.

Palestinians aren't allowed to fight to take it all back?

You know after the holocaust the Jews were wrong to just pass that suffering onto another innocent people. If you don't know that's wrong then you are no better than a Nazi. PERIOD

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4 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Palestinians aren't allowed to fight to take it all back?

 

I never said they weren't. I said Israel was being demonized on this forum.  They have every right.   But don't complain about the bloodshed. And don't think for a second that the Arabs wouldn't seek to take what Israel has.

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8 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

 

You know after the holocaust the Jews were wrong to just pass that suffering onto another innocent people. If you don't know that's wrong then you are no better than a Nazi. PERIOD

You are assuming this is the case. Maybe they just realized that being passive ends up dead.  And they wanted their own state. It wasn't a matter of taking out what the Nazis did to them on Palestine.  They just never wanted to be in that position again.

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6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I never said they weren't. I said Israel was being demonized on this forum.  They have every right.   But don't complain about the bloodshed. And don't think for a second that the Arabs wouldn't seek to take what Israel has.

Israel is acting in demonic behavior. What else would you call it? Have you seen the photos and videos for the past 2 years? have you heard the official statements of the leadership. Just like the Nazi's spoke

If you think the creation of Israel was a good idea then there is something wrong with you as a person. It would make more sense for Israel to have ethnically cleansed and stolen Germany. Right?

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Just now, Inliytened1 said:

You are assuming this is the case. Maybe they just realized that being passive ends up dead.  And they wanted their own state. It wasn't a matter of taking out what the Nazis did to them on Palestine.  They just never wanted to be in that position again.

Yeah but nobody else really does this. If someone steals a million dollars from me I can't just come to your house with a gun and smack you with it and take all your money. Makes zero sense

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