Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Inliytened1]

17 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

I’m not a doomer. I think the world can heal. But not if it’s not being honest about where it’s currently at. 
 

Neo-Nazism has gone unchallenged for too long and we’re all witnessing its corrosive effects. It’s time we end it once and for all and build a truly democratic world.

Keep feeding me your poison I'm not going to ingest it.  The problem is someone will.

[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, Joshe said:

No, you have to look at pattern and intent of the one stoking shit. 

These guys aren’t just out here calling a spade a spade, engaging in honest, open dialog, just sharing their viewpoints. Their intent is personal gain through division. This is violent.

It takes something more than these guys rhetoric though, doesn't it? It requires explicit or veiled calls for violence.

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Why not just learn to get along with your black, gay etc neighbours instead (and vice versa)? Seems like it’d be way less effort.

I already said, they're fucking idiots(bigots and nationalists).

Edited yesterday at 04:48 PM by Elliott

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

I mean you’re just like 9 months in.

A lot of this stuff can’t e done overnight. Its bit by bit. It’s like the frog in the pot kind of thing. I never read project 25 i don’t really know what’s in there. But certainly he‘s quite narcissistic and clamping down on democracy and has most big tech etc behind him.

Famous last words - we're just x months in hehe. K.  I'll ask you next month.  Bro he hasn't started WW3 so what you are doing is nitpicking.  Don't worry he can't run again.  I don't think he'll be able to alter that.

[Apparition of Jack]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I already said, they're fucking idiots(bigots and nationalists).

Wait so why are you against black people then? I don’t get it 😂 

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Famous last words - we're just x months in hehe. K.  I'll ask you next month.  Bro he hasn't started WW3 so what you are doing is nitpicking.  Don't worry he can't run again.  I don't think he'll be able to alter that.

He has attacked Iran. Israel will probably attack Iran again and then we’ll see how it turns out. Also lost India as a semi ally that was quite dumb. He still has over 3 years left to f up your country and the world. 

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Wait so why are you against black people then? I don’t get it 😂 

I'm a leftist, I was explaining how not all alt-right are violent, not all are nazis.

Edited yesterday at 04:52 PM by Elliott

[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

I'm a leftist, I was explaining how not all alt-right are violent, not all are nazis.

Not all people who voted for Hitler were violent either. That doesn’t matter. The end result is the same.

 

[Jannes]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He was anti fascist it seems.

The left is not a cartoon stereotype of blue hair lesbians. People with left views can look like anyone. And they can even love and use guns.

This idea that a leftist can never use a gun is silly. There are thousands of leftist marksmen, soldiers, police, military, security, hunters, sportsmen, hobbyists, etc.

It only takes 1 out of 300 million. With those odds you can find a two-headed Siamese twin with a grudge against something Charlie Kirk once said.

True that, I hang out with them. But for a leftist, thats like the best case scenario. Imagine an immigrant or trans person did the assassination.

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Not all people who voted for Hitler were violent either. That doesn’t matter. The end result is the same.

 

Absolutely. Is Trump Hitler yet or going to be Hitler? No. Then is Carlson, Musk, Bannon nazis?

Edited yesterday at 05:03 PM by Elliott

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I'm a leftist, I was explaining how not all alt-right are violent, not all are nazis.

No, some of them are SS.

Edited yesterday at 05:04 PM by Inliytened1

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

It takes something more than these guys rhetoric though, doesn't it? It requires explicit or veiled calls for violence.

I mean, yeah, they're not explicitly calling for violence - it's just in the subtext of more than half of their messaging. Bannon's podcast is called the War Room. Tucker Carlson puts all his life energy into pouring fuel on the culture war fire. Elon Musk has followed suit. 

"Hey, you good patriots - look at this vile and disgusting stuff - and look at who delights in it, and look at how this is bad for you".

Violence isn't their goal, but they're continuously nurturing the conditions for its manifestation and they're indifferent to it. 

Semantically, you're right. They aren't calling for violence - they're just daily handing out ammunition. Crafting and handing out weapons isn't technically calling for violence. 

Edited yesterday at 05:56 PM by Joshe

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I mean, yeah, they're not explicitly calling for violence - it's just in the subtext of more than half of their messaging. Bannon's podcast is called the War Room. Tucker Carlson puts all his life energy into pouring fuel on the culture war fire. Elon Musk has followed suit. 

"Hey, you good patriots - look at this vile and disgusting stuff - and look at who delights in it, and look at how this is bad for you".

Violence isn't their goal, but they're continuously nurturing the conditions for its manifestation and they're indifferent to it. 

Semantically, you're right. They aren't calling for violence - they're just daily handing out ammunition to be used for violence. Crafting and handing out weapons isn't technically calling for violence. 

The left is doing the same. Look no further then this very thread.

Edited yesterday at 05:09 PM by Inliytened1

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No, some of them are SS.

Yea the guy who Elon Musk has his name from was SS.

[Elliott]

11 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I mean, yeah, they're not explicitly calling for violence - it's just in the subtext of more than half of their messaging. Bannon's podcast is called the War Room. Tucker Carlson puts all his life energy into pouring fuel on the culture war fire. Elon Musk has followed suit. 

"Hey, you good patriots - look at this vile and disgusting stuff - and look at who delights in it, and look at how this is bad for you".

Violence isn't their goal, but they're continuously nurturing the conditions for its manifestation and they're indifferent to it. 

Semantically, you're right. They aren't calling for violence - they're just daily handing out ammunition to be used for violence. Crafting and handing out weapons isn't technically calling for violence. 

They're irresponsible and create hostility. Violence is being called for, but not by them, their rhetoric would not reasonably lead to violence were it not for the ones calling for violence, like trump.

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Elliott said:

They're irresponsible and create hostility. Violence is being called for, but not by them, their rhetoric would not reasonably lead to violence were it not for the ones calling for violence, like trump.

And Just where is Trump calling for violence ?  We are in a thread about someone speaking their mind on the right that has been struck down.  Keep that in mind as you attempt feebily to set the direction of the thread to suit your   biases. 

Edited yesterday at 05:29 PM by Inliytened1

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

And Just where is Trump calling for violence ?  We are in a thread about someone speaking their mind on the right that has been struck down.  Keep that in mind as you attempt feebily to set the direction of the thread to suit your   biases. 

When you finish giving me the one word answer to the simple question I've repeatedly asked you, I will post the hundreds of times trump has called for violence.

What should we call Trump if not fascist?

[UnbornTao]

@Joshe I hid your duplicate post.

Edited yesterday at 05:36 PM by UnbornTao

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Elliott said:

When you finish giving me the one word answer to the simple question I've repeatedly asked you, I will post the hundreds of times trump has called for violence.

What should we call Trump if not fascist?

You can call him a lot of things. Narcisist. Self centered.  Power hungry.  Vain. Materialistic.  Wealth centered.  But a fascist- no. He's not that.  Not to be compared with monsters like Hitler.  He is not that.   And don't give me a bunch of Jan 6th type crap. There is no evidence he orchestrated that directly.  Did he play a role in instilling that? Yes.  But he was not directly responsible for the same reason @Joshe brought up. 

The left is no better and as I said look no further than this thread for that evidence. 

Edited yesterday at 05:44 PM by Inliytened1

[Joshe]

5 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Joshe I hid your duplicate post.

Thanks!