Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Elliott]

Conservative hate is hate for people unlike themselves, Liberal hate is for Conservatives being hateful.

Conservative hate is not derived from the liberals intolerance of hate.

Conservative hate is here even if liberals weren't. 

Liberal hate only exists with the existence of Conservative hate, for conservative hate.

Liberal hate does not exist with Christians that don't hate, with fiscal conservatives that don't hate, with social conservatives that don't hate.

Liberals will not hate people for saying porn or drugs or national debt are bad. Liberals will not hate people for saying the government should not pay for people's college or health insurance.

Liberals will hate people saying that Hispanics poison our country, they will hate people trying to steal an election, or deny rights.

There's no "both sides need to work on reducing hate". Conservatives should go fuck themselves. Both sides need to control their own violence, liberals with our riots and obviously this assassination.

Edited September 13 by Elliott

[Joshe]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well Leo calling the right fascist even in this very thread does not help this effort. It really can brainwash people into thinking that society is doomed if the left does not prevail.  Some people (even the very few) - the 1% will take things literally to the core.  It's gonna take a bipartisan effort to curve hatred.

 

I mean, we have to be able to speak freely about what we see. If god snapped his fingers and the entire left vanished from existence, the world the right would build for you would be a living hell where they force you to adopt Christianity. LGBTQ would be banished/killed. Vaccines would disappear, disease would skyrocket. Porn and many other things would be banned. Your children would be made to pray to their god, and falsehood would prevail like you could not believe. This is just the tip of the iceberg. 

People who can see it would be foolish to not speak out about it. If they instead put their heads in the sand and keep their mouths shut, they will facilitate the ushering in of that hellscape. Some feel a sense of duty to prevent hell on earth. 

[Talinn]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

The right is really messed up.  I never denied that.  But the crazy thing is the left is worse.

Can you find something similar on left wing media?

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I mean, we have to be able to speak freely about what we see. If god snapped his fingers and the entire left vanished from existence, the world the right would build for you would be a living hell where they force you to adopt Christianity. LGBTQ would be banished/killed. Vaccines would disappear, disease would skyrocket. Porn and many other things would be banned. Your children would be made to pray to their god, and falsehood would prevail like you could not believe. This is just the tip of the iceberg. 

People who can see it would be foolish to not speak out about it. If they instead put their heads in the sand and keep their mouths shut, they will facilitate the ushering in of that hellscape. Some feel a sense of duty to prevent hell on earth. 

Well, effectively the left has vanished in this period because the right has almost full power...And has any of this happened? What happened to your feared project 2025? The closest thing that has happened is troops in the city- which had an end date of the end of the year.  So from that perspective all this fear mongering - and that's what i will call it here - directly feeds into the reason why guys like Kirk are dead. 

 

[Joshe]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well, effectively the left has vanished in this period because the right has almost full power...And has any of this happened? What happened to your feared project 2025? The closest thing that has happened is troops in the city- which had an end date of the end of the year.  So from that perspective all this fear mongering - and that's what i will call it here - directly feeds into the reason why guys like Kirk are dead. 

 

It’s only been 8 months. They’re laying the foundation. Also, Trump is selling Trump 2028 merch on his merch site. Also, he’s building a ballroom in the White House. He’s going to make a push to stay in if he can make it happen. They’re working on it now. You’ll see.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Joshe said:

It’s only been 8 months. They’re laying the foundation. Also, Trump is selling Trump 2028 merch on his merch site. Also, he’s building a ballroom in the White House. He’s going to make a push to stay in if he can make it happen. They’re working on it now. You’ll see.

I think i had it worse with sleepy joe.

[Inliytened1]

27 minutes ago, Elliott said:

 

There's no "both sides need to work on reducing hate". Conservatives should go fuck themselves. Both sides need to control their own violence, liberals with our riots and obviously this assassination.

K.

[Joshe]

17 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

directly feeds into the reason why guys like Kirk are dead. 

How much does the leader of our country making explicit calls for violence contribute to our current political landscape? You realize we’re so divided because of Trump, right? If literally anyone else would have won, Kirk would likely still be alive. Trump split us like nothing else. If you can imagine a world without Trump, that’s a world where the vast majority of people think politics is so boring, they don’t even bother with it, and it never turned into entertainment. In that world, there is no Destiny, no David Pakman, Kyle K. They’d have like 75k subs on Youtube. But keep thinking the opposite of Biden is/was best. THAT’s actually why we’re fucked. 

[Leo Gura]

Fascist is a loose term, analgous to Communist.

Right-wingers have no qualms calling the left Communists.

Charlie Kirk was not killed for being called a fascist by the left. He was killed because he spouted bigoted views that offended many people for years and years. Eventually you offend enough people with bigotry and one of them will turn to violence against you. Which is why bigotry is wrong. Bigotry doesn't just hurt people, it hurts the bigot too in the end.

Charlie Kirk was not killed for speaking truth, he was killed for offending enough people with bigotry that finally one of them went full psycho on him. Is it right? No. But it is predictable and understandable.

Free speech does not protect anyone from offending and inflamming psychopaths. Which is why if you speak to millions of viewers you better be careful what vileness you say.

Charlie Kirk is responsible for creating this polarized political climate we are in. That was his life's work.

Edited September 13 by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Fascist is a loose term, analgous to Communist.

Right-wingers have no qualms calling the left Communists.

Charlie Kirk was not killed for being called a fascist by the left. He was killed because he spouted bigoted views that offended many people for years and years. Eventually you offend enough people with bigotry and one of them will turn to violence against you. Which is why bigotry is wrong. Bigotry doesn't just hurt people, it hurts the bigot too in the end.

Charlie Kirk was not killed for speaking truth, he was killed for offending enough people with bigotry that finally one of them went full psycho on him. Is it right? No. But it is predictable and understandable.

I hate to break this to you but the dude wrote fascism into the very bullet casings that killed Kirk. 

[lostingenosmaze]

Someone mentioned the bullet casings but nobody shared anything so here's a Fall Guys slop channel to give the quick rundown 👍:

(no wait someone did, whoops)

Edited September 13 by lostingenosmaze

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I hate to break this to you but the dude wrote fascism into the very bullet casings that killed Kirk. 

I know that.

My point still stands.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I know that.

My point still stands.

Not entirely sure how it can stand after that but OK. Willing to see multiple perspectives. 

[kguirnela]

5 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

These are the actual engravings on the bullet casings of the assassin's rifle. 

 

 

*Notices bulge*, UwU what’s this?

Hey fascist! Catch! ⇧⇨⇩⇩⇩

Oh Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao Ciao Ciao

If u read this, u r gay LMAO

WSJ walked that back

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOhVD_DjONA/

[Elliott]

18 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Not entirely sure how it can stand after that but OK. Willing to see multiple perspectives. 

What term should be used for MAGA, to convey what Leo conveys when he uses "fascists"?

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, kguirnela said:

WSJ walked that back

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOhVD_DjONA/

This is false.

The engravings are reported accurately.

What was walked back is that they are trans ideology.

[Inliytened1]

38 minutes ago, Joshe said:

How much does the leader of our country making explicit calls for violence contribute to our current political landscape? You realize we’re so divided because of Trump, right? If literally anyone else would have won, Kirk would likely still be alive. 

That's not fair. Kirk subscribed to the rhetoric.

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Not entirely sure how it can stand after that but OK. Willing to see multiple perspectives. 

The logic is as follows:

Imagine if I called Charlie Kirk a racist and then some psychopath shot Kirk with a bullet with "racist" written on it. Does that mean I am now not allowed to call anyone a racist?

[ExploringReality]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The logic is as follows:

Imagine if I called Charlie Kirk a racist and then some psychopath shot Kirk with a bullet with "racist" written on it. Does that mean I am now not allowed to call anyone a racist?

No it doesn't.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

The logic is as follows:

Imagine if I called Charlie Kirk a racist and then some psychopath shot Kirk with a bullet with "racist" written on it. Does that mean I am now not allowed to call anyone a racist?

The logic is as follows:

Imagine if I called Charlie Kirk a fascist and then some psychopath shot Kirk with a bullet with "fascist" written on it. Does that mean I am now not allowed to call anyone a fascist?

Let's not use the term racist here let's use fascist.  So I replaced your words.  Yes you would not want to do that for obvious reasons.  But notice how it.is different depending on the word. So nice try trying to change it up .