Minneapolis Catholic school shooting

[Schizophonia]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

That's your opinion. Death is final. These injuries live on and leave scars physically and emotionally, imo, its worse than death.

You are so attached to the right to have a firearm for some reason that you say something such weird.

 

[Basman]

10 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

No, the access to the tool has a smaller role than who is using the tool...

Which is exactly why you don't give cars to kids. Or shouldn't give guns to mentally ill 18 year olds.

Expecting people to statistically be responsible is a false libertarian view. You need rules and regulations. If you view humans more as animals than this makes perfect sense.

Edited August 30 by Basman

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Basman said:

Which is exactly why you don't give cars to kids. Or guns to mentally ill 18 year olds.

Expecting people to statistically be responsible is a false libertarian view. You need rules and regulations. If you view humans more as animals than this makes perfect sense.

I'm not against rules and laws, of course we need them because of all the crazy that is out there, not because of the access to the tool... just saying its more about the crazy than the tool...

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

You are so attached to the right to have a firearm for some reason that you say something such weird.

 

Nothing weird about saying a mass knife attack that was survived can be more devastating than a gun attack that killed. It's like saying an emotional wound can have more devastating effects than a physical wound which can certainly be the case. Anyway, this debate is just a matter of opinions and I respect yours. 

[Joshe]

7 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

Please nobody mention that she was transgender. It has absolutely nothing to do with her actions.

Have some compassion for the most vulnerable members of our community. And no, I'm not talking about the innocent children.

It makes you feel good to hate trans. Most people here don’t get off on shit like that. 

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Basman said:

Which is exactly why you don't give cars to kids. Or shouldn't give guns to mentally ill 18 year olds.

No one need give a gun to an 18yr old for them to have access to it. I bet you half of the mass or other shootings are with illegally obtained  guns. Lots of under age kids have access to vehicles also. The argument about "giving to" is weak. That stops or reduce nothing. People will gain access to just about anything if they want to bad enough.

Edited August 30 by Princess Arabia

[Basman]

6 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I'm not against rules and laws, of course we need them because of all the crazy that is out there, not because of the access to the tool... just saying its more about the crazy than the tool...

But the tool itself can be an expression of crazy as well enable craziness. Why buy a gun in the first place? If you can buy high capacity guns, why shouldn't you shoot up a school?

Tools are not inherently benign in my opinion. Nuclear bombs are a prime example of this. Why would you ever create a nuke if not to blow up a country?

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Basman said:

But the tool itself can be an expression of crazy as well enable craziness. Why buy a gun in the first place? If you can buy high capacity guns, why shouldn't you shoot up a school?

Tools are not inherently benign in my opinion. Nuclear bombs are a prime example of this. Why would you ever create a nuke if not to blow up a country?

This has more to do with Survival Instinct.. Since most are Unconscious, leaders as well, if a capability arises they will use it, and if one country has it the others will get it, its Moloch's, where one stupid act leads to another and another... 

[Nercohype]

This is what happens when you let rightwing set things up

[Basman]

It doesn't really matter if you can divorce intent from dangerous weapons or not. It is obvious that unrestricted access will lead to bad use. The whole "guns don't kill people" angle is a red herring as far as I am concerned. 

[Hatfort]

Some Americans, in part pushed by the NRA and other weapon lobbies, have made gun ownership part of their identity. There's also the Second Amendment, which is flawed, because who says weapon owners are going to go against a theoretical authoritarian regime? I would say it's more likely the opposite, that they would support one like that, or that they would use their weapons against a legit one. There's also the factor that with so many weapons, insecurity rises, and more people who wouldn't have gotten a gun in normal circumstances, get them, worsening the cycle. It's also a factor in police brutality, most of them are paranoid as anyone can pull a gun out of nowhere, so they are trigger-easy. 

So it's a fucked up situation. 

Heavy regulation would solve the problem in a few years, but I don't see this happening for some of the things I listed before. Some light regulations and things like background checks could definitely reduce the problem. That's possible, but Democrats will have to do it. Many Republican Karens and Kevins will whine like the spoiled children they are... So what? Let them, but do it.

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Hatfort said:

Heavy regulation would solve the problem in a few years, but I don't see this happening for some of the things I listed before. Some light regulations and things like background checks could definitely reduce the problem. That's possible, but Democrats will have to do it. Many Republican Karens and Kevins will whine like the spoiled children they are... So what? Let them, but do it.

I think one of the challenges with political reforms in the US is how polarized the population is on a lot of things. In West-Europe abortion is hardly a debate because the majority of the population support access to it. Or the gun reform in New-Zealand after the shooting. It's hard to have any cultural and political reform without popular support. It's how you get this situation where you vocally want to do things in spite of the opposition. 

[Hatfort]

33 minutes ago, Basman said:

I think one of the challenges with political reforms in the US is how polarized the population is on a lot of things. In West-Europe abortion is hardly a debate because the majority of the population support access to it. Or the gun reform in New-Zealand after the shooting. It's hard to have any cultural and political reform without popular support. It's how you get this situation where you vocally want to do things in spite of the opposition. 

Yeah, it's true. It's nearly impossible to reason about anything.

Trump embodies very well how unreasonable politics has become there. There is a lot of good in the US, but right now it's buried under this thick cape of nonsense. It can get worse, I'm not very optimistic.

[Twentyfirst]

He or she was just following in the footsteps of their own terrorist government. America loves to kill children with their Jewish buddies. Maybe he or she wanted the noble peace prize instead of Trump for killing innocent children

When you live in a sick society then don't be surprised when you or your neighbors become sick too

Violence, deceit, mental illness from the government manifests in its citizens and vice versa. It's a metaphysical law

Edited August 30 by Twentyfirst

[enchanted]

@Ishanga @Princess Arabia

You guys are against gun control?

[carterfelder]

“To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens.” - Adolf Hitler

[Ishanga]

8 hours ago, enchanted said:

@Ishanga @Princess Arabia

You guys are against gun control?

I'm not, in Canada we have more gun control but there are more and more shootings each year, from illegal gun possession,, Of course there has to be regulations and control, too many crazies out there and more arising each year, but in the end the determining factor like over 70% of it is mental health problems which are on the rise, this is due to many factors, mainly we have a fucked up society and media and influences, as well as an economic system that is enslaving ppl, forcing desperation and more crazy,,,

This shit is happening daily and more often now...

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2025/08/30/2-men-arrested-following-daytime-shooting-in-brampton-neighbourhood-last-month/

Edited August 31 by Ishanga

[carterfelder]

2 minutes ago, enchanted said:

If Hitler says it, it must be true. 

Heetlah succeeded in controlling around 90 to 250 million people. His 1938 Weapons Law restricted gun control to loyal followers of his regime.

[Twentyfirst]

The only thing preventing this trans baby killer from full on immunity is unfortunately he wasn't a pedophile. If he killed babies and also raped them then he would be extradited to Israel for full protections and awards. Like Tom Alexandrovich

This school shooting is just a fractal representation of the society at large that you are all so proud of. You can't brag about all the good but then deny the bad. Actually safer to be a kid In Gaza since you already know you're gonna get shredded. These kids don't even know how much in danger they are

Edited September 2 by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

On 8/31/2025 at 6:43 AM, enchanted said:

@Ishanga @Princess Arabia

You guys are against gun control?

True gun control would be removing the insane genocidal American government from military power. All the way from inception of the genocide of the Native Americans to today the genocide of Palestinians. The government has proven they are true monsters that should never be trusted

But ya worry about the trans guy