Happiness (not suffering) Is The Real Enemy

[Princess Arabia]

On 8/21/2025 at 2:28 PM, theleelajoker said:

Damn. Asexual?

Now you tripled it. Next choice would quadruple it. Better off staying solo. Wait....the self can also disappoint. Your shit's outta luck. Hehe

[Ishanga]

23 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

This is not precisely what it means. But your own personal interpretation is within your rights to have 🙃

Do you think happiness is our natural state? Or peace? 

I would counter this that labelling things natural or not sort of muddies the water.

For you to want something implies you do not have it - that's where the 'hole of happiness' within comes from. Recognising that we are already whole, unfettered, perfect, to begin with, is key. You would never seek it if you didn't think you didn't have it. 

Desiring happiness can be argued as unconscious behaviour. Because you do not see the existential consequences of it.

 And that is your opinion, is it more valuable than mine?? No its not, all we are doing here is sharing opinions, which is actually anti spiritual, and all of them are equal, and most all of them will be forgotten about next week, so I am saying Happiness is natural for Us, others say Suffering is, that is their opinion, some will buy into that, others will not.  Their Karma will determine how it plays out!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

56 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

 And that is your opinion, is it more valuable than mine?? No its not, all we are doing here is sharing opinions, which is actually anti spiritual, and all of them are equal, and most all of them will be forgotten about next week, so I am saying Happiness is natural for Us, others say Suffering is, that is their opinion, some will buy into that, others will not.  Their Karma will determine how it plays out!

The point was that it was a derived view, not explicitly stated. 

I make no value judgements on your opinion. Why do you perceive sharing opinions anti-spiritual?

I do not think anyone explicitly stated suffering is the natural state. Feel free to quote this 🙃

Merely showing that the seeking of happiness is the issue. Say, for example, happiness is the natural state, and we do not see it because we are sold happiness in the form of 'what you do not have'. This blinds us, creates a void inside, where we think the happiness is not. But we are indeed happy. Unable to sense it, feel it.

You can see that we can be happy as a default state, and block it out in a blind attempt to seek it. Unaware it is present always 

[Princess Arabia]

Happiness nor sadness is a natural state. There are no natural states. There is only what state that seems to appear.

[Razard86]

Happiness=Peace of Mind. Happiness is actually the default experience. If you are content and peaceful, you are happy. Are there experiences that exist which can increase the experience of happiness? Sure there are states of Samadhi with bliss so high it will completely astonish you. But the truth is you don't need to experience those states to be happy. Happiness is not a goal, its literally what you are, your True Self is always happy at all times. 

The point of Spiritual Work is to penetrate through the human bs that blocks it from being experienced. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Razard86

Hell yeah - my experience also 🙏

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Happiness nor sadness is a natural state. There are no natural states. There is only what state that seems to appear.

Then why is happiness the enemy when it just appears.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

To my understanding it is literally the desire for happiness that is the issue (in that, desiring something immediately puts you in the state of not having that which you seek). This is the human bullshit blocking you from experiencing truth.

I do not think a base state of happiness is the issue. It is you, sans bullshit. But seeking it another thing entirely 

[Razard86]

58 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

To my understanding it is literally the desire for happiness that is the issue (in that, desiring something immediately puts you in the state of not having that which you seek). This is the human bullshit blocking you from experiencing truth.

I do not think a base state of happiness is the issue. It is you, sans bullshit. But seeking it another thing entirely 

Your signature points to the answer as well. Humans create bs and then try to run from it and obviously it finds them and they become stuck in it. 

[UnbornTao]

Maybe it's not so much a state or experience, but rather a condition.

Edited August 24 by UnbornTao

[Princess Arabia]

13 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Happiness=Peace of Mind. Happiness is actually the default experience. If you are content and peaceful, you are happy. Are there experiences that exist which can increase the experience of happiness? Sure there are states of Samadhi with bliss so high it will completely astonish you. But the truth is you don't need to experience those states to be happy. Happiness is not a goal, its literally what you are, your True Self is always happy at all times. 

The point of Spiritual Work is to penetrate through the human bs that blocks it from being experienced. 

Sounds like bs to me, but let's not argue...lol, I want to stay happy - my natural state.

[Princess Arabia]

13 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Then why is happiness the enemy when it just appears.

It's not really the enemy; that was addressing the 'me'. The one that seeks; and in this case, happiness.

Edited August 24 by Princess Arabia

[Keryo Koffa]

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[Ishanga]

14 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Razard86

Hell yeah - my experience also 🙏

I've been stating the samethings that Razard86 is, but Your giving me grief for it, but totally agree with him... Things that make me go Hmmmm....

[Ishanga]

15 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Happiness nor sadness is a natural state. There are no natural states. There is only what state that seems to appear.

Yes and No, there are Natural States, but of course there has to be somethings in place for this too be,, When a child is given love and security and a pleasant environment/stable parents, they will be happy.  

When a Cell is in a giving environment it thrives, when the environment is not so giving the cell may die or decay, its like this with everything..

Problem today is most Humans are too Intellectual, meaning their thinking rules them, they are past/memory future/imagination orientated, they crave and desire on that level only, which will lead to suffering..

Awareness is just another form of intelligence, but its not based on memory (there are many forms of memory, like genes, not just the images in your head, karma is this), once You are accessing Awareness more in Your life, then it opens up, then Peace and Happiness are as natural as hunger...

[theleelajoker]

19 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Now you tripled it. Next choice would quadruple it. Better off staying solo. Wait....the self can also disappoint. Your shit's outta luck. Hehe

Damn, it's a trap!  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

I've been stating the samethings that Razard86 is, but Your giving me grief for it, but totally agree with him... Things that make me go Hmmmm....

Show me this. Quote please. I can explain what is being said because I suspect you have not understood.

I pointed out seeking happiness, as the topic, is a seperate topic to what a humans natural state is. 

You were the one to divert to what the natural state is - the topic is about the mechanisms behind desire. 

 

[Joshe]

Tis true - to be happy, you first have to remove unhappiness. But you cannot stop at the removal of unhappiness, lest you bullshit yourself like someone who mixes blueberries in a broccoli and chlorella smoothie, takes a sip and says "Mmmm, delicious".

If you're chronically sleep deprived, it doesn't matter how peaceful you are - you will experience the opposite of happiness when you're forced to experience something you don't want to.  

When you remove all the blockers to happiness, happiness doesn't just usher itself it. Relative peace and calm is easier to access, but I'm not sure I'd call that happiness. Happiness seems like success - it's different for everybody. 

Edited August 25 by Joshe