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What I think is overlooked in religion

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On the forum I think what the conversation often overlooks or doesn't mention, about god,  is that not only that he is conscious, which in itself can be an insight to have, he also has a moral code. he doesn't see the world and our actions equally regardless of what they are, as some post-modernists might think, there are some rules to the game. 
In this matter religion gets it right. God is always watching, always aware, and he creates reality in accordance to our choices so an illusion of a righteous god and reality is generated. I used "illusion" because it is he who also controls our choices, Im pretty sure..:D
what do u think?

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Morality is a part or an expression of God sure but God is NOT moralistic. If God was moralistic do you really think war and slavery etc would exist? Morality is NOT total freedom it is an arbitrary limited way of thinking which limits creativity. God is LIMITLESS creativity, in fact thinking morality is superior to total freedom is something only an ego would do.

With that said you can say God is moral enough that you aren't right now locked into a torture chamber being tortured for an eternity but that is only because you are an ego. God loves torture so for God torture is heaven because God does not have an ego.


You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! 

So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. 

Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved.

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God invented rape, murder, torture, and slavery. So what exactly is God's moral code?


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

God invented rape, murder, torture, and slavery. So what exactly is God's moral code?

More holistic love eventually wins. 

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1 hour ago, Jannes said:

More holistic love eventually wins. 

This is true but its only because of SELF LOVE. Who knew selfishness can actually prevent itself from torturing itself for eons upon eons. Selfishness eventually gives rise to selflessness and thus love wins in the end.

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You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! 

So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. 

Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved.

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Evil is seeing evil. Walk in the raper's thongs before you judge.

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1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

Evil is seeing evil. Walk in the raper's thongs before you judge.

Evil is thinking evil is seeing evil . Walk In the the raper's Judger shoe before you Judge the judger.

Checkmate. :P

Love you man. Unfortunately Breakingthewall left the forum .very sad.


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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15 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Selfishness eventually gives rise to selflessness and thus love wins in the end.

Elaborate please. 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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38 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Evil is thinking evil is seeing evil . Walk In the the raper's Judger shoe before you Judge the judger.

Checkmate. :P

Love you man. Unfortunately Breakingthewall left the forum .very sad.

Yes. He pushed himself hard. He's a good one. Burnout is a real thing in this work. Hopefully it's a pause that refreshes. Best wishes pal.

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15 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Yes. He pushed himself hard. He's a good one. Burnout is a real thing in this work. Hopefully it's a pause that refreshes. Best wishes pal.

Yeah. Idk If you know him personally maybe you can persuade him. The word  "Burnout" is on the money .its obviously (yet counterintuitive) that posting 24/7 on the forum is not the right way to go about this work .. Even though if you are the best poster on here which in all honesty he is . I hope he will change his mind .

Best wishes friend 🍻


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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On 18/08/2025 at 7:38 PM, Samsonov said:

there are some rules to the game. 
In this matter religion gets it right. God is always watching, always aware, and he creates reality in accordance to our choices so an illusion of a righteous god and reality is generated. I used "illusion" because it is he who also controls our choices, Im pretty sure..:D
what do u think?

Nothing could be further from truth . Muhammad was woke as shit yet he fucked a 9 year old.(not gonna discuss whether Muhammad was enlightened for real or not ..because to compose this melodic masterpiece called the Quran requires you either are enlightened and have access to infinite intelligence or you smoke some unreal weed).

 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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On 8/19/2025 at 7:21 AM, Leo Gura said:

God invented rape, murder, torture, and slavery. So what exactly is God's moral code?

Isn't that a bit like saying "God invented stupidity, irrationality, insanity, close mindedness and ignorance. So what exactly is God's logical code?"

I have an "intuition" that things come full circle and are all connected in a strange loopey air dancer/tubeman escher drawing kinda way.

  1. If God “invented” rape and murder, then God also “invented” logic, reason, and morality.
  2. Blaming God for evil while crediting humans for good is inconsistent.
  3. Regardless of mystical metaphysics or theology, a practical moral code is simple: don’t rape, murder, torture, or enslave.

Logical enough, and moral enough, no?

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12 hours ago, MuadDib said:

Isn't that a bit like saying "God invented stupidity, irrationality, insanity, close mindedness and ignorance. So what exactly is God's logical code?"

I have an "intuition" that things come full circle and are all connected in a strange loopey air dancer/tubeman escher drawing kinda way.

  1. If God “invented” rape and murder, then God also “invented” logic, reason, and morality.
  2. Blaming God for evil while crediting humans for good is inconsistent.
  3. Regardless of mystical metaphysics or theology, a practical moral code is simple: don’t rape, murder, torture, or enslave.

Logical enough, and moral enough, no?

There is only God here. So yeah God is responsible. Only God's Will is done in creation. Infinity always does whatever it wants too.


You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! 

So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. 

Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved.

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On 22.8.2025 at 11:50 PM, Razard86 said:

There is only God here. So yeah God is responsible. Only God's Will is done in creation. Infinity always does whatever it wants too.

Yes god is one, that's the structure, all is done to his will, but what is his will? what is the content pointing to? there are patterns we can observe, in nature, society and psychology. It's not like all is random, we see the all is created with intelligence, and I want to say, a moral code

Yes, sometimes things do not sit right with our personal ideas of morality, but god is the standard of morality and goodness, as I think Leo have said before god == good.

In Kabbalah wisdom is above understanding, which means some wisdoms by definition are beyond understanding itself! all the more so for our limited human understanding. we should still try to understand god nonetheless.

On 19.8.2025 at 0:21 AM, Leo Gura said:

God invented rape, murder, torture, and slavery. So what exactly is God's moral code?

Yes, god has created a limitation upon himself so that limited self can act against god's will. all in the sake for the grater good! because you see for god it is easy to be good, that's why he has limited himself so he can overcome the challenges of life and survival and be good despite of them! all of reality was is being created to achieve greater and greater good/love/beauty.

Another aspect is that those rapers and murders are there to add to the challenge for good souls, if humanity were goodies, being good was the obvious choice. Survival is becoming easier and easier, but goodness is becoming actually more difficult, due to the temptations and distractions numbing us. In the past is was easier to be moral, counterintuitively. As you have said - we are in the dark ages.

And you have to take into account the moral structure reality has, if someone murders, he will be punished in modern society, humanity are god's enforcers.  and again some things just do not line up with our human moral code, you have mentioned torture, there is the story of rabi Akiva, which despite being good by any standard was tortured to death, but the story goes that for him it was the greatest possible way to go, because it was a test for his faith, while being tortured he was happy as knew he will die for protecting the Torah (thats's the story) and was returning to his creator as a loyal servant.  

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On 8/18/2025 at 5:21 PM, Leo Gura said:

God invented rape, murder, torture, and slavery. So what exactly is God's moral code?

We (Humans) invented these things out of Un Awareness that we are God/Absolute.

We have Free Will if we are Conscious that we are God/Absolute.

Would One rape, torture, have slaves if they know they are God?  I don't think so..

So its a matter of Awareness, not of God inventing things, Absolute/God is just a Potential/Possibility making machine, we are the tool by which the Potential is being expressed, and we have choice as to how it is being expressed, dependent on how Conscious/Aware one Is!


Karma Means "Life is my Making", I am 100% responsible for my Inner Experience. -Sadhguru..."I don''t want Your Dreams to come True, I want something to come true for You beyond anything You could dream of!!" - Sadhguru

 

 

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God never promoted death, only life. Society's consciouness invented it's own God and forgot the real one. After that they thought humans are Gods and the entire consciousness of the Universe is God, they just became Pantheists, the majority in spirituality and they lied to themselves that they are God. 

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