Why are you an authority in spiritual matters? Why are you giving advice?

[samijiben]

Everybody simmer the fuck down & put your phone away and go eat some goddamn breakfeast, Jesus Christ.

God is in your noodles, ladies and gentlemen.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

Well you’re wrong. There are many people giving such advice here.

Are you sure they are advices, or commands and call to action. Advice comes after a certain concern or question is born not just saying what one thinks is the case. I don't see too many asking about spiritual concerns that people are advising on and showing authority over the advice over. I can guarantee I can go through this spirituality section right now and don't come across too many spiritual advices but ill see many claims and people stating their opinions on things. Advice usually follows a question asking for help with some concern or issue. 

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, samijiben said:

Everybody simmer the fuck down & put your phone away and go eat some goddamn breakfeast, Jesus Christ.

God is in your noodles, ladies and gentlemen.

Trying to order people around, I see. Nothing wrong with fussing on a forum respectfully about whose giving advice or not. 

[Princess Arabia]

I will share this post as an example as it was the first one i ran into. 

This is not a comment giving advice or showing authority over anything; it's simply @James123giving his take on his spiritual beliefs and expressing that through a comment and a response on a thread someone started. This is how a forum operates. This is what I see a lot of, not people giving advice and being authority figures. Those are different expressions. 

[James123]

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I will share this post as an example as it was the first one i ran into. 

This is not a comment giving advice or showing authority over anything; it's simply @James123giving his take on his spiritual beliefs and expressing that through a comment and a response on a thread someone started. This is how a forum operates. This is what I see a lot of, not people giving advice and being authority figures. Those are different expressions. 

Nah, no ottority. Just pointing out what the Truth is. There is no james there.

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Nah, no ottority. Just pointing out what the Truth is. There is no james there.

Besides the point i was making. You just tainted it by saying you're pointing out what the truth is. Now that's authoritative even though still just your idea of truth. I should have known better than to use your comment as an example.

Edited Saturday at 04:11 PM by Princess Arabia

[James123]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Besides the point i was making. You just tainted it by saying you're pointing out what the truth is. Now that's authoritative even though still just your idea of truth. I should have known better than to use your comment as an example.

There is no idea there. 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, James123 said:

There is no idea there. 

You apparently are unaware of what an idea is, true or not, still an idea. Is it being expressed in words - idea.

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You apparently are unaware of what an idea is, true or not, still an idea. Is it being expressed in words - idea.

No, Truth is that where all the ideas raise and fall. 

This is what pointing out is.

Edited Saturday at 04:17 PM by James123

[PurpleTree]

33 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Are you sure

Well advice and people claiming to have truth and knowledge. And what’s right and wrong.

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Well advice and people claiming to have truth and knowledge. And what’s right and wrong.

Yeah, I see what you mean, as in the above convo with Mr James there. I see what you mean. When I speak, I don't claim anything to be true, it's a perspective, belief, stance, idea, conceptual. Direct experience cannot be expressed in words as it's now become a story. 

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, samijiben said:

Completely agree. This forum is fraught with the ghosts of pretention, arrogance, narcissism, posturing, unconsciousness in general, God-complexes, people desperately & feebly & unwittingly projecting their insecurities onto other people through their joke of giving advice. 

Mirror effect 😸

[Schizophonia]

@PurpleTree You're like a paranoid person with an inflated ego who's beginning to understand that he, and by extension, by projection, others, are just humans with points of view.
And then sometimes there are humans who seem to be more right than others because of their experience and cognitive abilities, and they become the benchmarks in a field.

But indeed fundamentally there is never any certainty, we decide to trust.

And it's the same for everything, when you call on someone you have faith that he is good in his field. Even in sectors that require a diploma, well there are plenty of diplomas of different qualities, maybe the guy forgot his courses, maybe he developed a pathology that encroaches on his profession and so on.

Edited Saturday at 04:58 PM by Schizophonia

[BlueOak]

5 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

 

I mean with Leo we kind of know what he did so we can take his advice or leave it.

Altough i don’t really know where he’s at. I knew where he was at years ago.

But with many of you guys what makes you an authority? What makes you think you know more than the person you’re giving advice to?

Sometimes i feel like mods think they’re an authority in spiritual matters just because they’re mods?

And others maybe had a glimpse and now think they’re have to lead others.

I hope this is not the blind leading the blind.

How do w know you’re not a cook like the people on the street just mumbling nonsense? Where are the credentials and receipts?

Oki doki artichoke 

You give yourself advice. 

This is you, in your own head, giving these words meaning, referencing them, Taking, learning, adapting, connecting, referencing etc.

All words are. Every speaker is.

[Sincerity]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Nah, no ottority. Just pointing out what the Truth is. There is no james there.

"Just pointing out what the Truth is"?  Bro, you can't be serious.

I think you're getting lost in your own non-dual slop. God damn Nahm 2.0 hahaha.

[Sincerity]

@PurpleTree 

• Sometimes people speak from experience and thus can give more credible advice
• Sometimes they say things they would like to hear themselves - that's much less credible
• Sometimes they just write whatever comes up, carelessly

It varies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Many people here were directly conscious of the solipsistic nature of experience, for example, including myself. That gives them some credibility to speak of it. With the note of course that always "there is more". 

I keep a private list of users who I know have had genuine spiritual insight coming from experience. It can be sensed from their words. They are the "authorities" for me, as in: I hold what they say in a higher regard. The list is not that long. A fair bunch of impostors on the forum as well. 

Sense your own "authorities". And reevaluate from time to time.

Edited Saturday at 06:14 PM by Sincerity

[Adrian colby]

A person only ever has an authority over themselves. They can never fully transmit their understanding to you in its totality but they can guide you to see it for yourself so you become your own authority. If you gain insight and understanding it means you’ve integrated and realised something and will be capable of replicating it off your own efforts without assistance from another. 
 

if someone is talking unapologetically, confidently and coherently or even demonstrated the application of their knowledge in their daily lives, you can’t ever be sure of its truth so you take everyone’s perspective with a pinch of salt. You don’t dismiss it, you try to apply it for yourself to verify or disregard it. There’s also a possibility you have misunderstood the teaching if you get nothing from it. 
 

the point is to not project authority onto others or judge them when you don’t have access to experiencing their consciousness. You listen to as many perspectives as you can and see where their commonality is pointing, then explore the point for yourself. If you get the point and understand it you will find you can explain and talk about it from your own unique perspective.

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

@PurpleTree 

• Sometimes people speak from experience and thus can give more credible advice
• Sometimes they say things they would like to hear themselves - that's much less credible
• Sometimes they just write whatever comes up, carelessly

It varies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Many people here were directly conscious of the solipsistic nature of experience, for example, including myself. That gives them some credibility to speak of it. With the note of course that always "there is more". 

I keep a private list of users who I know have had genuine spiritual insight coming from experience. It can be sensed from their words. They are the "authorities" for me, as in: I hold what they say in a higher regard. The list is not that long. A fair bunch of impostors on the forum as well. 

Sense your own "authorities". And reevaluate from time to time.

I’m not saying they should stop giving advice or whatever.

But those who claim to have truth should film a day in their life and post it here. So then we can see who is glowy, floaty, truthy and worth to be followed or considered. 

[James123]

50 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

"Just pointing out what the Truth is"?  Bro, you can't be serious.

I think you're getting lost in your own non-dual slop. God damn Nahm 2.0 hahaha.

Nah. No one can tell what truth is, because any knowledge, experience, realization etc... belongs to mind. 

So, Truth can be only pointed out, but can not be spoken.

you are hurt my brother. Don't worry everything is going to be fine. 

[BlueOak]

20 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I’m not saying they should stop giving advice or whatever.

But those who claim to have truth should film a day in their life and post it here. So then we can see who is glowy, floaty, truthy and worth to be followed or considered. 

Doesn't that also help you make distinctions?

I find cutting myself off from anything a waste, it's there for a reason, when i can evaluate what it is I am assigning to something. Unless a reason is I can learn that cutting off itself is useful. Which has happened time to time.

For example I won't waste time with someone who is wasting my time or energy, or a drain, but I will listen to someone I consider *insert your negative word here*. Because I want to understand where that comes from/ Not only because I grow most when I reflect from someone who is not parroting my existing frame of reference, but also it's humbling and corrective to the ego to have these intelligent and often well-thought-out and considered perspectives voiced. People pour energy into their opinions and experiences to voice them, and that is precious. - But even when they are emotional not intellectual, I learn my'self', and the world around me. It's why I often say a dog or your pet can teach you if you are open and accepting to that part of yourself.

I like this forum because it challenges me, it helps me grow, it helps me reflect on perspectives I never get to see and voice things I never get to voice.

It place to understand experiences I hold deep thanks and gratitude for in my heart.