Why I'm Far-Right (and why I will never change)

[BlueOak]

On 17/08/2025 at 0:46 AM, Emerald said:

How does this relate to back to the post that I made for the OP?

.I was avoiding the ugly truths that I am not and will likely never be seen as equal as a woman... 

I understand this is a sensitive topic and you've been through a lot. That's why I was making the post, to help, which failed.

Until you made the subsequent post it sounded like you were still stuck here.

[Emerald]

Just now, BlueOak said:

I understand this is a sensitive topic and you've been through a lot. That's why I was making the post, to help, which failed.

Until you made the subsequent post it sounded like you were still stuck here.

No, that was just one of the identity/worldview factors that prevented me (as a teenager and early-20-something) from acknowledging the existence of collective power imbalances and injustices.

I never wanted to acknowledge the power imbalances against women because they were very emotionally heavy and disturbing to face with.

Even earlier, at age 10, I convinced myself that I was different from all other girls to escape the acknowledgment of those imbalances. And I had a lot of overtly misogynistic viewpoints that I felt applied to every other girl/women... but that I was the lone exception.

And later (in my teens), I used anti-Feminist notions of "Everything is already equal. Why do we need Feminism?" to ignore and escape those imbalances and my feelings about them.

And those identity blocks to acknowledging these patterns were something that I spent a few years of my early 20s working through... which caused me to have to look at my own internalized misogyny and hyper-valuation of Masculinity over Femininity.

It was helpful that I had (at age 20) experienced what Femininity actually is during my medicine journeys because it gave me an expansive and empowering understand of what the Feminine really is... which is very authentic to my core nature and very different from the narrow way society conceptualizes of it.

Prior to that, I didn't have any kind of understanding that Femininity and womanhood could be empowering. The only empowerment that I saw possible was in the transcendence of social constructs around gender and the sense that there is no difference between men and women... as societal notions of Femininity have always felt so inauthentic, constricting, and disempowering to me since childhood.

But in the direct experience of the deep Feminine at the age of 20, I realized that Femininity is more than a social construct... and in myself and in society, the deep Feminine has been pushed under the floorboards. So, the crux of my inner work has been about re-integrating my own Feminine side and helping others to do the same.

And that process was helped along by my ability to recognize these large-scale macrocosmic patterns of unfair imbalance and injustice. (Though these are more surface-level expressions of very deep-seated emotional, spiritual, and psychological splits within the collective psyche of the human species)

So, integrating the recognition of systemic injustice in my early 20s opened up my ability to see the world more clearly... and recognize how I am impacted by and impact these systems.

And it also caused me to have to reckon with the fact that privilege has played a hand in my successes... and that my cherished identities around "pulling myself up by my bootstraps with no help from anyone but myself" wasn't true as society had been playing a tremendously supportive role. And that's because there were enough supportive societal patterns working in my favor to allow me to succeed... in contrast to my intermittent economic hardships.

But my reason for writing these posts isn't to lament about my own disenfranchisement under these systems. That's just a necessary part of the story to understand why it was so difficult for me to acknowledge these macrocosmic realities in the first place... and what blocked me from being compassionate and serving the egalitarian values that I've always had.

I have always wanted everyone to be treated justly and fairly. But my identities and fears were causing me to go blind and be ignorant to injustice and unfairness... and caused me to be an unconscious contributor to the problem because of my myopia.

I wrote the initial reply because I was trying to communicate with the OP who seemed to have this defensive viewpoint against the acknowledgement of widespread injustices because he has some similar patterns centered around identification with struggle to the patterns I used to have in my teens and early 20s.

And acknowledging these collective unfairnesses is something the OP perceives as undermining and devaluing his own challenges and struggles.

Often times, people can push back on certain realities if they don't know how to acknowledge those realities without undermining their identity or sense of meaning. And in this case, it seems the OP feels like his feelings and struggles are being dismissed because he is white... and he is understanding the concept of white privilege as something that invalidates his economic struggles.

He also seems to see it like I used to see it when I first encountered the term white privilege where I would say, "How can I have white privilege if I'm technically homeless with no support system?" or later on "How can I have white privilege if I can't afford to pay my electric bill and have to take cold showers and live in the dark with only oatmeal to eat with water from the sink?"

And when you're going through the economic ringer the last thing that you want to hear is that you have some kind of in-built privilege because it feels like people are saying, "You aren't struggling enough. You should be struggling more."

Now, I'm not sure if the OP is going through the economic ringer in these ways. But getting by is very difficult for most people. And if identifying with the economic struggle is his go-to coping strategy, then he might be upset at what he conceptualizes as "the left" because their recognition of these patterns feels threatening to his ability to use that coping strategy.

The OP was saying that he had always valued things like equality. But because he has interpreted the political left's acknowledgment of the existence of collective power imbalances as an invalidation of his own hardships, he is identifying as far right... seemingly as a "Ha! Take that Leftists!"

Perhaps shadow boxing with an imaginary image in his mind... where he says, "But I'm a white guy and I've struggled economically." and then a caricatured group of unattractive, ethnically diverse, androgynous, moralistic, strange people with bad hair-dos and frumpy clothes that are all finger wagging him and saying "Your hardships as a white man mean NOTHING! And if you don't agree, you're a Fascist!")

That's what it feels like he's arguing with in his mind.

And unfortunately, this resistance towards the left's acknowledgment of systemic injustices, will undermine his originally stated egalitarian values and potentially cause him to fall into the trap of being a collaborator... seemingly just to spite the imaginary leftists in his mind.

[sholomar]

He thinks identity politics was thrown into the democratic party to distract people from the economic issues. When blackstone owns a million houses, but the media is talking about genders, people won't focus on the economic issues that are actually important to people. The left went away from trying to help the middle class to focusing on these 5% issues like transgenders.  Democrat party is much more in bed with corporations than in the past. 

 

For me it's about the unchecked migrants... the left seems obsessed with just letting in anyone and everyone unvetted.  Again though, the real reason those at the very top want the migrants is not out of compassion, it's for the cheap labor. More sign a lot of leftists are being fooled into being compassionate for corporate interests. 

 

Edited August 18 by sholomar

[Elliott]

5 hours ago, sholomar said:

He thinks identity politics was thrown into the democratic party to distract people from the economic issues. When blackstone owns a million houses, but the media is talking about genders, people won't focus on the economic issues that are actually important to people. The left went away from trying to help the middle class to focusing on these 5% issues like transgenders.  Democrat party is much more in bed with corporations than in the past. 

 

For me it's about the unchecked migrants... the left seems obsessed with just letting in anyone and everyone unvetted.  Again though, the real reason those at the very top want the migrants is not out of compassion, it's for the cheap labor. More sign a lot of leftists are being fooled into being compassionate for corporate interests. 

 

How is taxing corporations, "in it for big corporations". You don't make any sense. And Obama and Biden deported more people than Trump did. You eat your information out of the garbage can.

Having a high tax rate on corporations and the wealthy make it harder for Blackstone and easier for the working class competing against Blackstone. Republicans eliminate taxes on corporations and wealthy, you're completely backwards.

Edited Monday at 01:31 PM by Elliott

[Joshe]

 

[Joshe]

7 hours ago, sholomar said:

For me it's about the unchecked migrants... the left seems obsessed with just letting in anyone and everyone unvetted.

The "left" you speak of is a small fraction of the left as a whole, and an even smaller fraction of the population. The majority of the left does not want to let anyone and everyone in. That's absurd. 

[abundance]

On 8/13/2025 at 0:22 PM, SwiftQuill said:

I remember when I identified as a progressive liberal roughly 4 years ago. I used to consume a lot of Breadtube content. In my view, my stances weren't even "political". My stances on things were just "be a good person, let others live their life".

I supported:

• Gay marriage
• Homosexuals adopting children
• Legalization of most drugs
• Immigration
• Taxing the wealthy
• Green energies
• Fixing the wage gap
• Reparations (when applied surgically)

That being said, I have always been against DEI and Affirmative Action, because even back then, I found these measures racist and sexist, and I found the studies defending them to be biased. I won't get into that because I've been berated and insulted by the bald man many times on this forum. If I say I don't want a society that creates job ads and positions in college that exclude you because of your race or gender, according to the bald man, I'm selfish and a white fragile.

Still, if we are being objective, most of my views are left-wing. I recently took the political compass quiz. I scored at the center of the bottom left quadrant (libertarian-socialist).

Of all the issues I listed above, my only change in the past 4 years is immigration. I've seen the effects of mass immigration. It's not a matter of "racism". It's about integrity of the system (house market, jobs, schools, hospitals).

But really, at the end of the day that doesn't matter.

Because the train I take to go to work, that 50% of the time has delays, and workers go on strike? That's irrelevant for the modern Left. To the modern Left, that's peanuts. Because those poor black people are extremely disadvantaged and the main theme in politics should be black lesbian women ethnic minorities LGBTQ. Why on earth would we spend time discussing issues that affect ALL OF US when we can instead engage in culture wars that only serve to divide and conquer?

How dare I, as a straight white male cisgender patriarch say my life is difficult. Only because I have multiple college degrees, and I make less money in my country, than if I were in the UK as a dishwasher. How dare I complain about the disproportionately low wage I make (1400€ a month, cost of living being 1300€ while living frugally), when there's black people in the USA suffering from racism?

How dare I talk about issues that men face, and say that not all men are evil rapists who want to oppress women, when in reality 1% of men do rape women?

Because we need to be proportionate.

But really, you modern leftists, do you apply that criterion to yourself? When you go to a hospital, with a broken leg, do you think to yourself "Oh wait I'm not going to waste resources from this system, knowing there's children in stage 4 cancer out there". Because if you have more than 2 braincells, you understand tackling one issue does not necessarily invalidate or take away resources from the other one.

But you know what, maybe I am right wing. I am far right, fascist, racist, sexist, because I oppose the immigrant population multiplying at the current rate.

Maybe I am sexist and misogynist, because I oppose the fearmongering of feminism. That glancing in a woman's general direction is predatory and creepy. Maybe I do have an issue with the "top 10 red flags" issues women consume these days on instagram and Tiktok. "Number 1 red flag: he complimented your shoes, that means he wants to rape you".

"But that's a strawman of the Left wing worldview".

You can't have it both ways. You can't ignore the issues of the Woke religion, defend them, minimize them, and insist it's a strawman. These issues I'm describing from experience.

That's why I'm far right. That's why today I fully reject the label "progressive" and "liberal". Because these words mean different things in my head.

In my head, progress is a necessarily good thing, by definition. Gay marriage is progress. Increased wages is progress. Functioning trains is progress. Seeing rainbow LGBTQ+ flags plastered around companies, and seeing Disney writers and producers calling anyone who dislikes their movies "racist", I don't call that progress.

I'm aware of the mental gymnastics that leftists make to defend these things.

"If you were a woman you too would be afraid of men. It's entirely justified to be afraid of men these days."

"You yourself may not be racist but ALMOST EVERYONE who is against immigration is racist."

"Studies show white people in particular are more racist than all other races."

"You are literally by definition privileged. Whether you like it or not. If you are above the poverty line, and are male, and you don't experience racism or bigotry because of your sexuality, you are literally textbook definition privileged."

This is all a distraction. These things are not refutations. People think they have GOTCHA against me but they really don't. What they do have is gaslight.

You see, I have an inclusive worldview. In my view, gender, sex, sexuality, race, yes of course these are important dimensions to a person. But they aren't THE ONLY dimensions.

I came from a low income family, raised by a single mother. That brought me a lot of disadvantages in life. My parents didn't pay my college tuition. And I struggled so much with money it caused me relationship issues (it does require to have SOME money to be social, go out, have drinks). To this day, I have suffered because of my upbringing. I'm not saying I'm oppressed by society. I'm saying I'm NOT privileged.

And if you came with me with a neutral definition of "privileged" I would be fine with it. If you told me "you are privileged because you aren't in prison, or in a third world country, or living under a bridge" or something along those lines, yes I would obviously say I'm privileged.

But I'm not privileged in the context of this society. The so called "patriarchy" has never given me a job. I've had to send out literally 1000's of CV's, only to get a response or two for a job.

"But the issues you are describing fall under the definition of personal issue not collective issue. Because none of your demographic characteristics contain systemic historic oppression, you are defined as privileged."

Such a convenient feminist argument to make.

And people wonder why young men are leaving the Left? I wonder if the things I'm describing, in the things I've experienced here in Portugal, young men in the USA also experience.

Or maybe, as the bald man says, it's because men are selfish and in stage orange selfish ego mindset, and "are unwilling to surrender their privilege".

I don't have a binary view of such things. I don't see the world as oppressed vs privileged. I'm privileged because I'm a man, she's privileged because she's a woman.

I find that preposterous and it demonstrates a complete lack of bad faith in Left wing discourse.

There are degrees of privilege. I'm healthy. I have two arms and two legs. That is a lot of privilege compared to someone with a disability.

But am I privileged even though I'm a fucking virgin at age 27? I'm privileged even if I flirt with a woman at a bar, the white knights there turn on me and kick me out? I'm privileged even though I'm way overqualified for my job, and I make way less than if I lived in any other country?

Could it be that the primary source of oppression is actually capitalism, that it causes poverty for black people, it causes inequality and frustration for everyone, and that all these culture wars are a distraction?

No. Because leftists must virtue signal all the time.

I'm not exaggerating when I say my stances on politics are around 85% left wing. Some of them radically left wing, especially economically. But you know what, I'm still called as "far right" by leftists. Because I dare listen to Joe Rogan, or because I like Jordan Peterson.

It wasn't like this. My country used to be normal. I used to be able to turn on the news, and trust reporters. 

But now? Everyone has Trump Derangement Syndrome. The moment any policy here is discussed, that even VAGUELY aligns with Trump or the Republican party, people freak out.

"WHAT NO we are a progressive political party, and we are Portuguese. We don't do that silly far right thing Americans do."

It's a thought terminating cliché. It's an emotional kneejerk reaction.

No one is allowed to discuss crime, immigration, or even economics. Even strategic economic policies are considered "American Right wing".

I may be left wing overall, but I'm all for pragmatic policies that make the government more efficient.

But no, if a guy here proposes to cut government spending, suddenly he's lumped together with Elon Musk Neo Nazi Alt Right DOGE.

I have not become radicalized by the Right. I have become radicalized by the Left, against itself.

This forum has actually solidified my stance on this topic. I was hoping I could discuss things with open minded people. Instead, I was called "stage orange", "selfish", "child", "white fragile", I've been told I "don't have compassion for ethnic minorities" (for daring to be against DEI).

That's why I am "Far Right".

I shall never use the labels "progressive" or "liberal" ever again. I consider myself heterodox with left leaning perspectives.

But to Leo? To Actualized.org? To Reddit? To Facebook? To my friends and family? I'm Far Right.

We live in a society that claims gender is a social construct. Yet, "men" are evil.

We live in a society that claims race is a social construct. Yey, "it's white people's fault".

This division and hatred isn't progress. It's an abomination. This only serves those who identify as ethnic minorities, or white women, or LGBTQ. And even these people, it doesn't serve them. It gives them an emotional catharsis, but it doesn't actually solve the systemic problems they face.

Because when a woman goes to the hospital, and they can't take her in, because it's full, that's not the Patriarchy. That's a broken system.

When a black man takes the train to go to work, and workers are protesting, and he ends up spending a shit ton of money on a taxi to go to work, that's not the white's fault. It's the system.

And when a homosexual man works as a mechanical engineer and earns 3x less in his own country than in the country right next to him, that's not homophobia. That's capitalism at its best.

So I do suggest, if you have even the slightest of open mindedness, to look inward. 

Or, as I can predict, you will read the first paragraph or two, scoff at what I'm saying, and dismiss me as some anti woke idiot.

You can be white, straight, broke and not get any pussy and still be relatively privileged because we live in a white dominant society. That's just a fact of life. With that said it doesn't mean your grievances are any less important. Your experience as a white male is not going to be same as a black guy living on the southside of Chicago and vice versa. There's all sorts of historical and societal factors that contribute to this, much of it rooted in this country's history of racism and white supremacy. To acknowledge and critique this fact of reality isn't 'woke' nor should it be considered anti-white. This shouldn't trigger you. Different groups of people require a different set of solutions. That's what programs such as DEI and Affirmative Action we're suppose to address. 

I think where the left often goes wrong is chastizing and blaming all of society's ills at the feet of straight white males and not the system of exploitation that screws us all. Its a system primarily maintained and championed by straight white males so its obvious why they would bear the brunt of criticism. However, at the end of the day true leftism is about analyzing and critiquing systems. You're right in that modern identity politics has been used a tool to distract us from this. The solution to this isn't to become 'far right' or redpill. That's reactionary and basically an excuse to be lazy and slump back into reptilian brain type thinking. Its too easy to become embittered and throw up your hands. The true test for you is to be able to maintain your underlying progressive principles while being able to critique modern progressivism from a place of love. 

Become a part of the solution. 

[Leo Gura]

Justifying why you will never change is already an epistemic and attitudinal mistake.

Edited Monday at 06:51 PM by Leo Gura

[EternalForest]

The problem is not you, it's the modern political climate that radicalizes us into two equally dysfunctional extremes. Stressing out over all this will do nothing for you. You're better off working towards your goals or life purpose. I see you have a website, which is cool. Focus on that, get more traffic to it. Create something new today. Work towards your goals. Fuck the random people who won't get on an elevator with you and ultimately don't matter.

[BlueOak]

On 18/08/2025 at 9:19 AM, sholomar said:

He thinks identity politics was thrown into the democratic party to distract people from the economic issues. When blackstone owns a million houses, but the media is talking about genders, people won't focus on the economic issues that are actually important to people. The left went away from trying to help the middle class to focusing on these 5% issues like transgenders.  Democrat party is much more in bed with corporations than in the past. 

For me it's about the unchecked migrants... the left seems obsessed with just letting in anyone and everyone unvetted.  Again though, the real reason those at the very top want the migrants is not out of compassion, it's for the cheap labor. More sign a lot of leftists are being fooled into being compassionate for corporate interests. 

 

Both parties no longer consider economic issues or the economic status of their population as important, because it's bad for their donors and moneyed interests, and things are changing so rapidly. Otherwise, it'd be the number one thing being talked about right now with people struggling. Instead, it's always high drama identity politics that mean little to people's daily lives. Big shows from the republicans with little actual benefit, and lots of words from the democrats so they can keep the status quo ticking along.

• Traditionally, the democratic party has more of a push to tax the rich, and put more money/resources back into people's lives.
• Whereas the republicans give the rich more tax breaks and take money/resources out of people's lives.

There are different arguments for this; i've heard several and never seen one I agreed with fully. Because: People can be greedy, and those in business are generally greedy for money, its what drives them. So when you give them the option of taking more revenue, they do, it doesn't get passed down to the population. The good counterargument is that bureaucracy is wasteful, and thus some of that money gets used up on admin, but it also keeps rich billionaires in check so they don't run amok so easily.

The perfect scenario in America would be to motivate people to create businesses for something other than money. But when you pair that against someone who is all about the numbers competitively, it doesn't win, not unless it was done en masse using bureaucracy and/or the media, and local interest groups to support it. Real grass-roots business/organisations something nationalists often reach for but fall short of, because they focus too broadly.

Edited Tuesday at 08:23 AM by BlueOak

[carterfelder]

"White privilege" in 2025 America is a ridiculous concept. Pretty privilege is real, but you don't see anyone complaining too much about that. Why? Because most folks understand that we can only change so much about ourselves to be more or less attractive to others. Every legal citizen in America who has a functioning brain can literally do almost anything. The only thing "holding them back" is that which they perceive as doing so. For example, usually it's their friends and family repeating unhelpful narratives, or it's how they see themselves, which isn't in a way that encourages them to face challenges in order to succeed in life. The problem many Democratic voters have is that they have a savior complex, and those that don't spend enough time around normal people (people who use common sense) may develop a white savior complex, because they've become more prejudiced than normal, thanks to watching leftist legacy media, listening to their Democratic-voting friends and family, or reading silly "antiracist" (neoracist) books like a neighborhood friend I grew up with was reading when I last saw him in a local coffee shop that sells really good coffee beans sourced from non-whites in other parts of the world.

[ChrisZoZo]

On 13/08/2025 at 5:22 PM, SwiftQuill said:

In my head, progress is a necessarily good thing, by definition. Gay marriage is progress. Increased wages is progress. Functioning trains is progress. Seeing rainbow LGBTQ+ flags plastered around companies, and seeing Disney writers and producers calling anyone who dislikes their movies "racist", I don't call that progress.

So because of some people wrongly defining you decided to completely oppose this? 
 

Mate I’ll be honest I don’t have time to read all this nonsense. You just sound like a whiny child who doesn’t care about truth and only wants to be right.

You can be left or right (and also is completely imaginary) all you want that doesn’t matter so much, but do you actually care about truth? Look an inquiry to that.