Chadders

Is there any point to awakening in this life?

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9 hours ago, Chadders said:

Is there any point to awakening in this life when truth and reality will be revealed to you at death anyway? 

Very bad question . First of all ..truth and reality are revealed to you right now. Second of all awakening is (partially) the realization that you as God are immortal and can never die..not that God will be revealed to you when you die .

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 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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@Carl-Richard for me the jury is still out when it comes to reincarnation. I have no idea. I’ve never had a conscious insight on that so I don’t know

If let’s say for instance there is such a thing and the degree of your awakening in this life would determine the fullness of the next that would give awakening a genuine purpose but I am not conscious of reincarnation as an actual thing

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But that is only revealed to you if you are deeply conscious of it. You have to be awakened right now to know that. We live within the confides of the ego. I am very skeptical of people who say they are awakened because I know how deeply profound and tricky it is

You can be in the moment and feel completely calm and present. Blissful. But this is not the same thing as actually being aware that this is the deepest truth. There’s a huge leap there consciously that you’re not considering. You can tell yourself that’s the case and feel good about it and intuit it but again that is not the same thing. A conscious opening has to happen where it actually feels true in your bones and in your soul absolutely. In that moment you are not human. On psychedelics you can get that but with waking consciousness you would have to be mystic. I don’t believe you have that level of awakening 

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5 hours ago, Cheese said:

Awakening and living are not mutually exclusive, everyone is awakening at their own pace. Try to see awakening as a process way beyond life and death. Spiritual work will increase the speed.

Why do you intuit that death will reveal all? Think about it. Intuition is great. Using heart and head is ideal.

Yes that is very true. Awakening is a continuous thing and I do not believe that we are truly in control of the ship. The universe is directing us. So much is out of our control. This I have been directly conscious of

Actually I was wrong to say I intuit it about the death thing. Actually I can only speak from second hand knowing of spiritual wisdom that death is the end of the self and the ego. From that place the barriers between you and the divine collapse 

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2 minutes ago, Chadders said:

@Someone here

But that is only revealed to you if you are deeply conscious of it. You have to be awakened right now to know that. We live within the confides of the ego. I am very skeptical of people who say they are awakened because I know how deeply profound and tricky it is

You can be in the moment and feel completely calm and present. Blissful. But this is not the same thing as actually being aware that this is the deepest truth. There’s a huge leap there consciously that you’re not considering. You can tell yourself that’s the case and feel good about it and intuit it but again that is not the same thing. A conscious opening has to happen where it actually feels true in your bones and in your soul absolutely. In that moment you are not human. On psychedelics you can get that but with waking consciousness you would have to be mystic. I don’t believe you have that level of awakening 

I literally just watched Leo's two videos "what is God ?" Yesterday and I feel like I understand all of reality . 

There is no question that psychedelics can uplift your consciousness and make you "really " conscious of deep truth about the nature of reality and yourself . But the sober state exists for a reason . Without the sober state you can't take psychedelics . Sober state must exist first for psychedelics to exist within it . So you are always starting from the sober state .

I'm not a mystic. I'm just an average Joe struggling with career issues .that doesn't mean I'm not conscious as fuck .Trust me I know things that no one on this forum except maybe Leo can even begin to understand. I know what awakening is but I'm not awake. 

Regarding death ..First of all you must realize that death Is conceptual .believe it or not but you ain't got the tiniest evidence that someday you gonna die.  Second of all death can only be known when it's experienced. So stop looking for what kind of experience will happen when you die because it might never happen ..and instead start investigating what this experience right here right now is .

 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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Not to any ego ever. The chicks are too hot and hell is too far off to give a damn.

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1 minute ago, gettoefl said:

Not to any ego ever. The chicks are too hot and hell is too far off to give a damn.

Dude I literally puked my Nescafé on the damn keyboard xD

Which is hotter ..this :

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or this :

 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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57 minutes ago, Chadders said:

@Carl-Richard for me the jury is still out when it comes to reincarnation. I have no idea. I’ve never had a conscious insight on that so I don’t know

The jury is still out on anything being the case except the fact that reality exists. Reincarnation is not the radical baseless claim materialists and crypto-materialists make it out to be.

 

57 minutes ago, Chadders said:

If let’s say for instance there is such a thing and the degree of your awakening in this life would determine the fullness of the next that would give awakening a genuine purpose but I am not conscious of reincarnation as an actual thing

Half-assing awakening can make your life better, but going all the way means giving up your life (as you currently know it). If you're fine with being nothing, being love, being openness, go there.

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2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Someone here y u do dis

Two answers came to mind :

1- because some light particles falled on my eye ball then went through optical nerves to my vision center in the brain then a synapse got fired which triggered a memory then gave command to my fingers to post that. Aka physical determinism. 

2- the actual answer : WHO THE FUCK KNOWS? 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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Awakening is a hobby. 

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Nothing will prevent Willy.

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2 hours ago, Someone here said:

Regarding death ..First of all you must realize that death Is conceptual .believe it or not but you ain't got the tiniest evidence that someday you gonna die.  Second of all death can only be known when it's experienced. So stop looking for what kind of experience will happen when you die because it might never happen ..and instead start investigating what this experience right here right now is .

Well death would be the end of something within our existing conceptual framework. You would enter something new because rebirth within this life would fall outside of that

Our current reality does not hold rebirth as an existing thing that exists 

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25 minutes ago, Chadders said:

Well death would be the end of something within our existing conceptual framework. You would enter something new because rebirth within this life would fall outside of that

Our current reality does not hold rebirth as an existing thing that exists 

Forget death now . Think of birth .how did you come to existence?  It felt like you popped out of nowhere and found yourself in this world like a magician pulling a rabbit from an empty hat . That's gonna probably happen again after you die. Why will it not happen again ? How the hell did it happen in your last birth ?

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 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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@Someone hereNo identity but stuff is still there. Your parents created you via black magic. They stared at an object and pretended it existed as a word. The human brain is very powerful that it can create an identity about itself and it can be anything with imagination.

God can go into any object and witness its inner working. The inner workings are ego, a repeated story about what has happened to that object. thats how the object holds form (exists as a space inside of God). Your keyboard is telling a story to itself about where it came from and what is happening and happened to it. It keeps doing it that's how you can use it.

When people use drugs and go into objects they know instinctively Oh no I am trapped here forever! But the human is special it goes Oh no I am specifically not going to be trapped in here forever! 

Every object will have a thing in it that goes I am something, the human body is capable of witnessing the I am that is in everything. The thing that is not the ego, in every object.The constant between reactions.

Death is just not reacting. When you stop reacting you can then go into objects as you will see you are that dead space between objects, not the objects. You were just experiencing the ego (story about the object) of the object you created.

The human being has the power to say I am whatever I want where other objects do not get that power.

The human can say I am a powerful alien on another planet and nothing else can do that. A cupboard cant say I am not a cupboard its stuck telling itself a story about itself.

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Sometimes it's the journey itself that teaches/ A lot about the destination not aware of/No matter how far/
How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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9 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Someone hereNo identity but stuff is still there. Your parents created you via black magic. They stared at an object and pretended it existed as a word. The human brain is very powerful that it can create an identity about itself and it can be anything with imagination.

God can go into any object and witness its inner working. The inner workings are ego, a repeated story about what has happened to that object. thats how the object holds form (exists as a space inside of God). Your keyboard is telling a story to itself about where it came from and what is happening and happened to it. It keeps doing it that's how you can use it.

When people use drugs and go into objects they know instinctively Oh no I am trapped here forever! But the human is special it goes Oh no I am specifically not going to be trapped in here forever! 

Every object will have a thing in it that goes I am something, the human body is capable of witnessing the I am that is in everything. The thing that is not the ego, in every object.The constant between reactions. Death is just not reacting. When you stop reacting you can then go into objects as you will see you are that dead space between objects.

It's like the more you try to wrap your head around God it slips further away from you like a treadmill mirage. God doesn't hate sex btw because it makes consciousness reproduce. Consciousness is immortal though and doesn't need sex to reincarnate . If every human came from sex then did God (him)self come from sex ? No thats the eternal mothefucker . Remind me of Leo's saying " I gave birth to myself . I came out of my own vagina ".

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 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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@Someone hereGod didnt come from sex . The sex is a representation of its stimulative qualia. Gods an empty field of qualia that can only be experienced by objects inside of it. It can go inside of an object and experience its qualia but when it comes out of the object paradoxically has no qualia or infinite qualia.

When you think about what it would be like going between no qualia, and qualia, you can ask.What's that thing that goes between them, to experience the qualia, and come to the conclusion that that is God. Not the void of nothing, not the experience but something that can travel between both of them. More void than the void of nothing. Just literal nothing.


Sometimes it's the journey itself that teaches/ A lot about the destination not aware of/No matter how far/
How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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