Is there any point to awakening in this life?

[Chadders]

Is there any point to awakening in this life when truth and reality will be revealed to you at death anyway? Isn’t life for living not for awakening? Or at least is awakening only for the purposes of serving you better in this life? I’ve primarily pursued spiritual growth for that reason 

Disclaimer: I’m intuiting death will reveal all (death = awakening) but I do not know that for sure. The death of the ego and dissolution of self brings us to the divine 

Edit: to expand, many of us intuit that life only has meaning if we give it meaning. For me awakening only has meaning in that it serves us better in this world. To be more ‘actualised’ in the world of form. There’s no meaning in awakening for the sake of awakening. Why do it?

Edited Monday at 05:59 AM by Chadders

[Carl-Richard]

Truth is being revealed to you right now, but you go back to sleep, same as will happen at your death.

[Chadders]

@Carl-Richard it’s not as easy as that though. Yes you’re right but you’re not considering how hard it is to cut through. If it was easy then everyone would be ‘awakened’. I doubt you are as there are so few humans that actually are and if they say they are I’m very skeptical 

Also just expand on that - so you’re saying death is sleep? Many teachers would say it is in death that you become awake

There’s a massive chasm between saying this right now is truth and actually being completely fucking conscious of the truth. One is intellectual another is total and absolute enlightenment. I understand that there are degrees of truth and that you can get closer to it but to be full awakened to it right now. Wow. Just wow

Edited Monday at 05:44 AM by Chadders

[ExploringReality]

Be careful not to fall into asserting that Truth will reveal itself to you at death, because death is the end of you. Your spiritual path should only be a pursuit of the Truth and nothing else, your survival is used as a means to an end to make sure you are safe to contemplate existence and have breakthroughs in consciousness 

[Chadders]

@ExploringReality I sense uncertainty in your words. If death is the end of you then we are referring to the ego. Without an ego you are god realised. It is the dissolution of the self that reveals truth

Edited Monday at 05:49 AM by Chadders

[Salvijus]

The end of the body is not the end of the ego. Ego was never the body to begin with. Body is innocent. You're likely just going to take on another physical form after death because you haven't transcended your limited identity yet. 

Edited Monday at 06:21 AM by Salvijus

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Chadders I think you misunderstand @Carl-Richard 

Experience is truth - it is this reality directly right now that is true. 

The realisation is that there is nothing else - you just forget this due to survival manifesting an ego. And this ego - the self - gets in between your being, and your experience. 

It is difficult to realise this - and - as you say, easy to 'intellectually' know this.

The spiritual path will bring you closer to the nature of your true being.

In terms of a direct answer - only you can find this answer by engaging in the spiritual process.

 

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, Chadders said:

Is there any point to awakening in this life when truth and reality will be revealed to you at death anyway? Isn’t life for living not for awakening? Or at least is awakening only for the purposes of serving you better in this life? I’ve primarily pursued spiritual growth for that reason 

Disclaimer: I’m intuiting death will reveal all (death = awakening) but I do not know that for sure. The death of the ego and dissolution of self brings us to the divine 

Edit: to expand, many of us intuit that life only has meaning if we give it meaning. For me awakening only has meaning in that it serves us better in this world. To be more ‘actualised’ in the world of form. There’s no meaning in awakening for the sake of awakening. Why do it?

Yeah, I'm with you here. Not about the death thing, or the truth will come, this I simply don't know.

But 100% agreement about "no awakening for the sake of awakening". Same as you said above, for me it's 100% about being pragmatic with it, increasing quality of life for me and others around me now. 

I often wonder, looking at people that talk so much about "awakenings" but show bullshit behaviors and shitty attitudes full of unwarranted aggression, prejudice, harmful narratives, inferioty complex, narcissism etc. Ok it's their life but if that's your awakening then I don't want it as such behavior clearly does not improve quality of life for yourself and others. 

 

Edited Monday at 06:38 AM by theleelajoker

[Natasha Tori Maru]

6 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

I often wonder, looking at people that talk so much about "awakenings" but show bullshit behaviors and shitty attitudes full of unwarranted aggression, prejudice, harmful narratives, inferioty complex, narcissism etc. Ok it's their life but if that's your awakening then I don't want it as such behavior clearly does not improve quality of life for yourself and others. 

Haha I would say that's not awakening/enlightenment - that's an e-peen measuring contest

 

[theleelajoker]

Yeah I agree, I called it the same thing some time ago 

But some people seem to equate awakening primarily with insights, and the ability to explain things, or to have highly complex theories about how life works but not the small everyday behavior that IMO actually shapes the world. Then there are divisions being made, your are awake but not enlightenment, there is enlightenment but not sainthood etc...all this play of words, further divisions, and more concepts and all I am thinking is: really? 

9 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Haha I would say that's not awakening/enlightenment - that's an e-peen measuring contest

 

 

Edited Monday at 06:55 AM by theleelajoker

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Chadders said:

Is there any point to awakening in this life when truth and reality will be revealed to you at death anyway? Isn’t life for living not for awakening? Or at least is awakening only for the purposes of serving you better in this life? I’ve primarily pursued spiritual growth for that reason 

Disclaimer: I’m intuiting death will reveal all (death = awakening) but I do not know that for sure. The death of the ego and dissolution of self brings us to the divine 

Edit: to expand, many of us intuit that life only has meaning if we give it meaning. For me awakening only has meaning in that it serves us better in this world. To be more ‘actualised’ in the world of form. There’s no meaning in awakening for the sake of awakening. Why do it?

Woild you rather be the guy in the matrix who walked around never knowing it was a simulation or Neo?   What must of that experience of waking up from the dream been like for him?  Worth the price of admission I'd wager.

 

 

Edited Monday at 07:15 AM by Inliytened1

[Ezekiel33]

1 hour ago, Chadders said:

Is there any point to awakening in this life when truth and reality will be revealed to you at death anyway? Isn’t life for living not for awakening? Or at least is awakening only for the purposes of serving you better in this life? I’ve primarily pursued spiritual growth for that reason 

Disclaimer: I’m intuiting death will reveal all (death = awakening) but I do not know that for sure. The death of the ego and dissolution of self brings us to the divine 

Edit: to expand, many of us intuit that life only has meaning if we give it meaning. For me awakening only has meaning in that it serves us better in this world. To be more ‘actualised’ in the world of form. There’s no meaning in awakening for the sake of awakening. Why do it?

Perhaps it is to awaken mid-dream and transcending this dimension in life instead of in the-afterlife, arguably when we are awake we are in more active control of our consciousness, one could deduct.

[Chadders]

@Inliytened1 I can only say that the path to awakening comes with a heavy price. There’s a lot of suffering and sacrifice. It’s not like I haven’t done a lot of spiritual work because I have. I have never done psychedelics for recreation, only for my own personal and spiritual growth. I have gained a lot from it

Leo has said before in one of his videos that he sometimes regrets going so deep into it because once you do the game is up. I don’t know how he feels about this now but this chimes with my thinking that we’re in this world to live life even if it is a dream but walk in the world with one foot grounded in consciousness 

In terms of the matrix it’s all to a degree. I am not so unconscious that I do not have a connection to the divine through presence and the felt experience. I intuit more deeply life situations however I am not awakened to divine truth in each passing moment. I do get lost in the moment as the majority of people do. There are so few human on the planet that are actually awakened like that. Painfully small. Probably no one on this forum. Maybe just a handful on people

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Through the spiritual path you actually fall in love with life all over again. Wonder, mystery, awe all return. And you realize this is actually the ONLY place you want to be

 

 

[James123]

3 hours ago, Chadders said:

Is there any point to awakening in this life when truth and reality will be revealed to you at death anyway? Isn’t life for living not for awakening? Or at least is awakening only for the purposes of serving you better in this life? I’ve primarily pursued spiritual growth for that reason 

Disclaimer: I’m intuiting death will reveal all (death = awakening) but I do not know that for sure. The death of the ego and dissolution of self brings us to the divine 

Edit: to expand, many of us intuit that life only has meaning if we give it meaning. For me awakening only has meaning in that it serves us better in this world. To be more ‘actualised’ in the world of form. There’s no meaning in awakening for the sake of awakening. Why do it?

Hey brother. Check this out,

 

 

[Cheese]

Awakening and living are not mutually exclusive, everyone is awakening at their own pace. Try to see awakening as a process way beyond life and death. Spiritual work will increase the speed.

Why do you intuit that death will reveal all? Think about it. Intuition is great. Using heart and head is ideal.

[Cheese]

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Haha I would say that's not awakening/enlightenment - that's an e-peen measuring contest

 

This got me an idea. With the inspiration from a comedian, I am introducing:

The spiritual bigger dick conversation complex.

It goes like this. You read a post of someone describing how big his spiritual dick is. Then you bombard them with your own personal spiritual bigger dick jargon.

Imagine the afterlife there are plenty of dudes sword-dick-fighting in their astral bodies. The east got the Asuras and the west has its own tireless fighters. Just don't die and immediately say "I am enlightened" or you will have an army of spiritual dudes running after you with measuring tape.

Just joking here. Nothing serious, not aiming at anyone with this post.

 

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Chadders said:

Is there any point to awakening in this life when truth and reality will be revealed to you at death anyway? Isn’t life for living not for awakening? Or at least is awakening only for the purposes of serving you better in this life? I’ve primarily pursued spiritual growth for that reason 

Disclaimer: I’m intuiting death will reveal all (death = awakening) but I do not know that for sure. The death of the ego and dissolution of self brings us to the divine 

Edit: to expand, many of us intuit that life only has meaning if we give it meaning. For me awakening only has meaning in that it serves us better in this world. To be more ‘actualised’ in the world of form. There’s no meaning in awakening for the sake of awakening. Why do it?

Existence is unlimited flux. All flux has continuity, it is interconnected without limits.

Existence is dynamic, never static. You either move toward opening or closing. You choose.

[Hojo]

Yea you can get used to being nothing and become immortal.

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Chadders said:

@Carl-Richard it’s not as easy as that though. Yes you’re right but you’re not considering how hard it is to cut through. If it was easy then everyone would be ‘awakened’. I doubt you are as there are so few humans that actually are and if they say they are I’m very skeptical 

Also just expand on that - so you’re saying death is sleep? Many teachers would say it is in death that you become awake

There’s a massive chasm between saying this right now is truth and actually being completely fucking conscious of the truth. One is intellectual another is total and absolute enlightenment. I understand that there are degrees of truth and that you can get closer to it but to be full awakened to it right now. Wow. Just wow

I'm saying death doesn't grant you lasting awakening, because you quickly go back to sleep again (granting reincarnation, which we are already granting, because life is you reincarnating moment to moment). I would claim everybody has had small moments of awakening, but they quickly go back to sleep, so it mostly doesn't even register. The profound moments of awakening are those that last a bit longer and that cause a kind of transformation or shift in perspective and an opening to what is possible. The "awakening" at death is similarly only a relatively small one, and it will quickly end. If you want lasting awakening (enlightenment), you have to aim at it, be it before death or after death.

Edited Monday at 02:56 PM by Carl-Richard