What does it mean to be "Awake"?

[ExploringReality]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

@Ishanga

@theleelajoker

I use drastically words to show you how far away your understanding from awakening really is. It's not even drastically enough because you still don't get it. 

Yes I am not total awake but pretty much on another level. How I know that? Because I was on your level too, before I used psychedelics. Psychedelics kicked me out of low level spirituality. Yoga could do that too. But it was psychedelics in my case.

No awakening is not about bliss. Bliss comes as a side effect or not at all.

Stay natural but you will probably not get far if you are not talented. Yes psychedelic experiences fade away and you get back to almost normal but you experienced states of consciousness way deeper than you can imagine and you will not forget that deep inside you. It's like saying I don't want to visit the moon,why?  it's just a temporary fading experience and after visiting the moon I am back on earth. The truth is, you will be forever changed if your consciousness level is intelligent enough. 

By the way I am not telling here that psychedelics are better than natural practices. It's just that some "naturals" here dismiss the value psychedelics can offer.

Your definitely on the right track. Similar in my case, psychedelics kicked me to a whole new level of consciousness that is unimaginable from ordinary survival consciousness.

People will gaslight you for taking psychedelics but have no clue what they are talking about and talking as though they knew. At this point I just push anyone aside that smells like dog shit and not let anyone try to undermine my insights and reality. 

There is nothing wrong with sober meditation and there is nothing wrong with psychedelics. But people dismiss psychedelics because they are ignorant, arrogant and outright full of shit.

The psychedelics can be misused and there is a danger of falling into delusional traps which is why you have to build a solid epistemic foundation first when exploring consciousness. And not fall into the delusional traps of projecting any authority onto visions, hallucinations, mystical experiences or deity's. You must realize you are god imagining everything so you don't get lost in fantasy. But to realize you are God is not something to fuck around with and not a belief system but can be turned into one.

Edited 11 hours ago by ExploringReality

[Inliytened1]

On 8/5/2025 at 6:24 PM, Sempiternity said:

To be "Awake" is to not be asleep. If you are experiencing Reality, you are asleep. You are lost in a dream, and think it's real.

If you awake from reality, into full God Consciousness, the realization you are infinite, omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, nothingness, eternal, and created the dream of reality; you are Awake.

Not the "self" you / the human perspective identity awakens (as that disappears as it never really existed to begin with), but the Self/God Consciousness awakens. The human self cannot awaken, as it's part of the illusion of the dream. 

The best one can do, is become a Lucid Dreamer of reality. To be lost in the dream (reality), experiencing it through a human first-person perspective, but still know without a doubt that you are God choosing to make yourself into this dream, so you can experience "other".  Awake within the dream. 

Well said.

[Sempiternity]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well said.

Thanks! 

[theleelajoker]

10 hours ago, OBEler said:

@theleelajoker my definition of awake is deeply knowing what's going on right here right now on an existential level. With that I don't mean of course how much bliss you have. Just knowing what's true right now. It's a deep recognition. It's way more than being in the now no last no future etc. Way more deeper. 

Ok thanks.  

I guess it's becoming difficult now to describe your/ my experience. "Deeply knowing" what's going is probably a feeling, an intuition as you describe it. At least it's that for me. It's a thin line for me between that and story creating by the mind.

To give an example, after doing two Vipassana retreats within short time I was hyper aware for some time, and I had some impressions, some experience of depth during talks with people. Almost as if I get a glimpse in the constant creation of reality, how words, actions, reflections and past are in the present woven together to create a new experience.Is it true? Was it a story? Don't know but something definitely changed in my perception of reality. Can't really put it into words but I remember the feeling I had (and sometime still have)

[theleelajoker]

10 hours ago, ExploringReality said:

Your definitely on the right track. Similar in my case, psychedelics kicked me to a whole new level of consciousness that is unimaginable from ordinary survival consciousness.

People will gaslight you for taking psychedelics but have no clue what they are talking about and talking as though they knew. At this point I just push anyone aside that smells like dog shit and not let anyone try to undermine my insights and reality. 

There is nothing wrong with sober meditation and there is nothing wrong with psychedelics. But people dismiss psychedelics because they are ignorant, arrogant and outright full of shit.

The psychedelics can be misused and there is a danger of falling into delusional traps which is why you have to build a solid epistemic foundation first when exploring consciousness. And not fall into the delusional traps of projecting any authority onto visions, hallucinations, mystical experiences or deity's. You must realize you are god imagining everything so you don't get lost in fantasy. But to realize you are God is not something to fuck around with and not a belief system but can be turned into one.

Careful with projections. I did my fair share of psycedelics, too. Still do it from time to time. Ayahuasca, LSD, MDMA, peyote,... there are more experienced users, and some stuff is still on my list, but assuming I have no clue is simply wrong.

They have their value. But in terms of a lasting change in my behavior, meditation outperforms psycedelics.

And that is valid for me. Can be different for anyone else at different points of time. 

It's simply my - similar to yours -observation that the equation use of psycedelics= increase in awakening doesn't hold for many people. They then make up sophisticated believe systems and stories that validate their path, blocking out anyone else telling them it might not work they believe it works. And then they take how others are doing it wrong but their path is the right one 😁

Edited 52 minutes ago by theleelajoker

[OBEler]

@theleelajoker "Deeply knowing" what's going is probably a feeling, an intuition as you describe it."

No not a feeling, not an intuition. It's something like that what you described. A recognition.