About God

[Sugarcoat]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The sense of self is inevitable, it's how the reality is constructed now. It's not an illusion, it's a kind of perspective that is the manifestation of reality now. You can collapse the self and realize the reality directly, without the filter of duality, not perceiving anything but being it directly, but even so the self is registering. The self is doing a map in background always. Because the self wants to be transparent to allow direct vision then it need a map to don't get confused. Anyway, no map works, better don't try that, everything is very confusing from the mind

I think so too

[gettoefl]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but what I mean is, from the perspective: reality is an illusion that conciousness is creating, then any realization about nothingness, fullness, anything, would be just an image that conciousness creates. It's a weird perspective . Those who say: reality is an illusion, only god is real, how they know that god is not another illusion? 

One who asks whether God is just another illusion is asking this within the illusory split consciousness. Truth cannot be proven in limitation; it comes when illusion is let go. To do this look through the world you see, to feel a presence that cannot be doubted, because it is what you are. Until then, all ‘realizations’ of nothingness, fullness, emptiness etc. are shadows dancing on a wall. Beyond them is a light that you did not invent and cannot deny. That is the experience of God, and always call to you.

[gettoefl]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The point is: is the perception real or an illusion. I mean what is perceived . In my opinion it's absolutely real. 

Some days ago if someone would tell me: no, it's an illusion. I would think, he's totally deceived. But now I will try to think...let's imagine if he's right and I'm wrong. 

All illusions are completely real within the illusion. Only stepping outside them are they seen to be nothing - never real, never true, never anything at all.

Edited August 1 by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Breakingthewall These are Your best posts. True openess after many, many walls had broken down... Much respect for Your perseverence.

 

Great that you appreciate, I respect your instinct

 

46 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

All illusions are completely real within the illusion. Only stepping outside them are they seen to be nothing - never real, never true, never anything at all.

I don't know, I think that the illusion is the perception of a center, but reality is just real. 

 

[gettoefl]

57 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Great that you appreciate, I respect your instinct

 

I don't know, I think that the illusion is the perception of a center, but reality is just real. 

 

For me illusions cast a veil upon reality. We want the veil while we believe we are a person living as best we know. Realizing we are not and dropping the veil and returning to where we never left are one and the same event. 

[Hyperion]

On 1.8.2025 at 1:29 AM, Breakingthewall said:

another day another thing, sometimes again one, or the other. So I was thinking, what is real? Then I realized that all are real because they are facets of the unlimited. 

BAM. That's what I am talking about.

 

On 1.8.2025 at 1:36 AM, Breakingthewall said:

But the question would be? Those visions are real or are just visions created by the self?

Two sides of the same coin. Appearances are real, reality is conscious, conciousness is illusory, illusions are reality. Different ways of saying / pointing to the exact same thing.

The World Is Illusion.

Only Brahman Is Real.

The World Is Brahman.

🕉

 

Edited Saturday at 05:35 PM by Hyperion

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-08-01 at 2:26 AM, cetus said:

You are correct from where you are standing. So, from there, wouldn't it be nice to take a break, even if it were just temporary, from the identity of the self and just Be? Some amazing things could happen.

I find I can’t make my self “turn off” 

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, Hyperion said:

BAM. That's what I am talking about.

 

 

The World Is Illusion.

Only Brahman Is Real.

The World Is Brahman.

🕉

 

Yeah, what is "illusion" is the perception of a limited self when the reality is the limitless flow, but when your heart is open and a quality is perceived, this quality is not perceived, it is. Then that perception is the reality. The world is Brahman because you are that, and when you perceive yourself totally it's just the totality being 

If the self ceases to perceive itself as closed, it perceives itself as flow, and flow is perceived as absolute glory. This sounds like arbitrary mysticism, but it isn't. Absolute glory means being. Everything that is, is that, since it is unlimited. Its limitlessness gives it that character of glorious, perfect, open, open-hearted, non-human love, but love that is

The self, due to its structure, can completely close itself off from this glory. A moment ago, I perceived it, and it was it. To be was to perceive; there is no perceiving, there is to be. It doesn't matter what appears, it is to be, it is complete, it is glory. But if now someone tells me that there is a problem , I only see that, I focus on a single point like a laser. There is no glory anymore, there is closure. The normal thing is to live in constant closure. But deny the closure is also a mistake, it's a function of the self

Edited Saturday at 11:19 PM by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

Beautiful. Really beautiful. 

[Princess Arabia]

On 7/31/2025 at 7:34 PM, Sugarcoat said:

I’ve heard similar stories. So far I’ve only been close to the emptiness rather than the full aliveness

Don't worry, it's the same thing. Just different expression.

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Don't worry, it's the same thing. Just different expression.

I’m still waiting for the full alive and love part lol

[cetus]

23 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I find I can’t make my self “turn off” 

@Sugarcoat That's the crux of the matter and is what stands between anyone and God.  Would make for a good topic." How do I turn off being "me" even if it's just temporary".

 To put in my two cents worth, it takes total surrender. Anything less than total surrender of the self-identity just won't do. Plus developing a still mind through a meditation practice helps a great deal. Also, it doesn't hurt to be in a neutral environment so nothing in your surroundings reminds you of you. And then you just let it all go and "STOP" being you. Leave it all behind and just "Be". That's when the magic happens and you expand in infinite directions with no limitations such as space and time to define you. Space/ time/self are all constructs of the mind to be let go of.

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-08-04 at 0:15 AM, cetus said:

@Sugarcoat That's the crux of the matter and is what stands between anyone and God.  Would make for a good topic." How do I turn off being "me" even if it's just temporary".

 To put in my two cents worth, it takes total surrender. Anything less than total surrender of the self-identity just won't do. Plus developing a still mind through a meditation practice helps a great deal. Also, it doesn't hurt to be in a neutral environment so nothing in your surroundings reminds you of you. And then you just let it all go and "STOP" being you. Leave it all behind and just "Be". That's when the magic happens and you expand in infinite directions with no limitations such as space and time to define you. Space/ time/self are all constructs of the mind to be let go of.

It seems to me letting go is a big piece of the puzzle because there’s a lot of energy that goes into maintaining the self

But I don’t feel like it’s the entire puzzle. It seems to me like my mind/brain somehow maintains a kind of core self without my own effort or doing 

[Razard86]

When I see someone question whether God is just another illusion....I almost pass out from the sheer ignorance. How in the hell do you think existence got here? How the hell in one fell swoop you accept that there is Infinite Intelligence but then question whether there is a God. 

What is God? God is formless. What is God? God is Infinitely Intelligent. What is God? God is a Mind that can create instantly without a process. What is God? God is Love. What is God? Pure Power. What is God All encompassing that it has no outside. Anyone who does any work with psychedelics is literally shown this information. 

You really think Reality is not God? Really I mean come on...really? The term God is used because it is the CREATOR. The term God is used because it is all powerful and has no limits. The Term God is used because it is PURE LOVE, AND PURELY GOOD!!!

How and I serious here....how in the world do you come face to face with God and then doubt? I mean seriously? HOWWWW? God is the only REAL thing there is. All of God's creations PALE in comparison to how REAL God is. So how do you DOUBT what is REAL? Do you DOUBT the existence of your HAND?

I am facepalming so hard right now. 

I can understand if you didn't take a psychedelic, I can understand if you never entered an altered state. But according to you, you have taken them and you still doubt? You stole doubting Thomas's role from him. It's like seeing a hole in your hand and denying it is there. 

[theleelajoker]

6 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

When I see someone question whether God is just another illusion....I almost pass out from the sheer ignorance. How in the hell do you think existence got here? How the hell in one fell swoop you accept that there is Infinite Intelligence but then question whether there is a God. 

What is God? God is formless. What is God? God is Infinitely Intelligent. What is God? God is a Mind that can create instantly without a process. What is God? God is Love. What is God? Pure Power. What is God All encompassing that it has no outside. Anyone who does any work with psychedelics is literally shown this information. 

You really think Reality is not God? Really I mean come on...really? The term God is used because it is the CREATOR. The term God is used because it is all powerful and has no limits. The Term God is used because it is PURE LOVE, AND PURELY GOOD!!!

How and I serious here....how in the world do you come face to face with God and then doubt? I mean seriously? HOWWWW? God is the only REAL thing there is. All of God's creations PALE in comparison to how REAL God is. So how do you DOUBT what is REAL? Do you DOUBT the existence of your HAND?

I am facepalming so hard right now. 

I can understand if you didn't take a psychedelic, I can understand if you never entered an altered state. But according to you, you have taken them and you still doubt? You stole doubting Thomas's role from him. It's like seeing a hole in your hand and denying it is there. 

It's God creating the doubt about God. How can you go against God?

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

When I see someone question whether God is just another illusion....I almost pass out from the sheer ignorance. How in the hell do you think existence got here? How the hell in one fell swoop you accept that there is Infinite Intelligence but then question whether there is a God. 

What is God? God is formless. What is God? God is Infinitely Intelligent. What is God? God is a Mind that can create instantly without a process. What is God? God is Love. What is God? Pure Power. What is God All encompassing that it has no outside. Anyone who does any work with psychedelics is literally shown this information. 

You really think Reality is not God? Really I mean come on...really? The term God is used because it is the CREATOR. The term God is used because it is all powerful and has no limits. The Term God is used because it is PURE LOVE, AND PURELY GOOD!!!

How and I serious here....how in the world do you come face to face with God and then doubt? I mean seriously? HOWWWW? God is the only REAL thing there is. All of God's creations PALE in comparison to how REAL God is. So how do you DOUBT what is REAL? Do you DOUBT the existence of your HAND?

I am facepalming so hard right now. 

I can understand if you didn't take a psychedelic, I can understand if you never entered an altered state. But according to you, you have taken them and you still doubt? You stole doubting Thomas's role from him. It's like seeing a hole in your hand and denying it is there. 

What if, if one never borns or one is directly conscious that entire duality, birth, death ,universe or existence is just a process of thoughts, what is god then?