Debunking Solipsism

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Water by the River

"Captain America's been torn apart now
He's a court jester with a broken heart
He said, "Turn me around and take me back to the start"
I must be losin' my mind, "Are you blind?"
"I've seen it all a million times" "

so, yes... deja vu.

[Terell Kirby]

Solipsism as humans understand it is largely conceptual. No one really knows what it means 😂

[Thought Art]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's an expanded notion of solipsism. You first realize the absoluteness of your own mind. Then you consider a possibility beyond that.

You're trying to grasp Infinity in one shot, and that's just not going to work. You have to experience/realize it in stages. You reach a crazy new level of consciousness and then later you say, "Well, what if I can imagine something even bigger?"

Hmmmm, that is paradoxical. Especially because of the real dividing the real being real. 

[Razard86]

16 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Razard86 with the help of Chatgpt4 I answer to you. Please read exactly where the issue ist. Please stay open minded, don't skip with your head. I try to tell you something . I hope with Chatgpt4 you understand my position finally:

 

I see where you're coming from. You're speaking from a radical nondual solipsistic paradigm where only direct experience exists, and everything else is imagination. I get that – and I respect the inner logic of it.

But here’s the thing: just because something is not within my current experience doesn't logically imply it cannot exist. That would be conflating epistemology with ontology.

You're saying: “If you can't confirm it, it's just a belief.”
True – I can't confirm it. But not being able to confirm something doesn't mean it's false or non-existent. It simply means: I don't know.

I prefer to stay in that space of radical not-knowing rather than collapsing everything into the assumption that I am the only reality. That, too, is just a belief – unless proven.

I'm not denying the possibility that I am the only God and you are not conscious only my perspective exists. But I’m open to the possibility that other Gods might exist too – just outside the reach of my current conscious dream (by the way Leo did that too, I don't know his actual view on that).

So the difference is: I don’t claim it must be true. I hold open the mystery. You close the mystery with total certainty.

I have realized I'm God. God is pure nothingness. Nothingness cannot be divided. This is practical. Forget the not knowing. Investigate what nothingness is. Once you investigate and realize what Nothingness is you will realize why even Infinity of Gods is just God imagining other Gods. 

Also you are mistaken, Leo says that there is direct experience and then there is imagination. I AM NOT SAYING THAT. I am saying something much more simpler...there is ONLY IMAGINATION. The same substance that human imagination is made of, is the same substance your HAND IS MADE OF. Leo complicates things too much, there is simply just imagination. To even create a difference between your human imagination and God level imagination of direct experience is to go too FAR.

So once you realize THERE IS ONLY IMAGINATION, and IMAGINATION is NOTHINGNESS. Then please explain to me how something can happen OUTSIDE OF YOU? Your problem here is you are speaking as a human. Of course a human can have an event happen outside of them, that is because a human is located in a specific location. But nothingness? It exists EVERYWHERE. Nothingness is everything!

This means if something as you say could exist outside of you, that something is YOU. There is only nothingness. Become aware of what Nothingness is! Once you become aware of it, you will realize this whole discussion is SILLY. For example ever go into DEEP SLEEP? Nothing how there is nothing? THAT is the building block of ALL of EXISTENCE. 

Nothingness is NON EXISTENCE THAT EXISTS. Are you getting it? You cannot divide that which doesn't exist. You can't stop non existence from being everywhere because it doesn't exist!!!! And yet....it does!!! This is how God breaks the logical mind and all parameters. You cannot box in or control that which does not exist. So God is a nonexistent being that has always existed. 

To understand God is to understand that God is so powerful God doesn't even need awareness of itself to accomplish a thing. For example your human body functions completely fine without you being aware of all the innerworkings involved, notice how you as God don't need to be aware of it for it to do what it is doing. God is completely autonomous and it can do so WITHOUT SELF AWARENESS. Now THAT is a MIRACLE.

Edited Friday at 02:34 PM by Razard86

[theleelajoker]

20 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I have realized I'm God. God is pure nothingness. Nothingness cannot be divided. This is practical. Forget the not knowing. Investigate what nothingness is. Once you investigate and realize what Nothingness is you will realize why even Infinity of Gods is just God imagining other Gods. 

Also you are mistaken, Leo says that there is direct experience and then there is imagination. I AM NOT SAYING THAT. I am saying something much more simpler...there is ONLY IMAGINATION. The same substance that human imagination is made of, is the same substance your HAND IS MADE OF. Leo complicates things too much, there is simply just imagination. To even create a difference between your human imagination and God level imagination of direct experience is to go too FAR.

So once you realize THERE IS ONLY IMAGINATION, and IMAGINATION is NOTHINGNESS. Then please explain to me how something can happen OUTSIDE OF YOU? Your problem here is you are speaking as a human. Of course a human can have an event happen outside of them, that is because a human is located in a specific location. But nothingness? It exists EVERYWHERE. Nothingness is everything!

This means if something as you say could exist outside of you, that something is YOU. There is only nothingness. Become aware of what Nothingness is! Once you become aware of it, you will realize this whole discussion is SILLY. For example ever go into DEEP SLEEP? Nothing how there is nothing? THAT is the building block of ALL of EXISTENCE. 

Nothingness is NON EXISTENCE THAT EXISTS. Are you getting it? You cannot divide that which doesn't exist. You can't stop non existence from being everywhere because it doesn't exist!!!! And yet....it does!!! This is how God breaks the logical mind and all parameters. You cannot box in or control that which does not exist. So God is a nonexistent being that has always existed. 

To understand God is to understand that God is so powerful God doesn't even need awareness of itself to accomplish a thing. For example your human body functions completely fine without you being aware of all the innerworkings involved, notice how you as God don't need to be aware of it for it to do what it is doing. God is completely autonomous and it can do so WITHOUT SELF AWARENESS. Now THAT is a MIRACLE.

Nice text with good examples

[OBEler]

@Razard86 ok thanks, I understand your position better now.

[Inliytened1]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

1) I am always exploring no matter what I say. You should know this.

2) From your POV what I say doesn't really matter because you have to explore regardless to find your own answers. No matter what I say you still have to find your own truth.

I say certain things from my POV but that doesn't mean it is true for you. It also doesn't mean that my view won't evolve in the future -- it usually evolves.

Just in general, whenever humans say anything it is only true for them at that time, not forever. This is the case even if they don't realize it or say it. Everyone always speaks from their present view of reality and that view always evolves. Even an enlightened person's view evolves. So you should never take human words as absolutes.

This is pretty obvious basic stuff that you should already know without me explicating it for you.

My views evolve a lot. I would rather be evolved than consistently stuck.

This is so true.  Because you will continue to have insights and realizations as you go on.  I used to think that once you're enlightened all your questions are answered.   And in a sense they are..if you have the awakening of omniscience.   But this doesn't mean that Consciousness or reality has nothing left to explore or realize.   That is the true wonder of reality.   For example there may be things that don't click until later.. Your mind is always expanding and you are getting more and more conscious as you age.  At least for some of us.  Some of us are so stuck in their own dogma that their minds can never grow.  That is a terrible shame.

Edited Friday at 07:32 PM by Inliytened1

[Terell Kirby]

23 hours ago, Razard86 said:

God is pure nothingness.

God is also NOT nothingness. Stop dividing yourself

[Xonas Pitfall]

On 8/7/2025 at 11:35 PM, Inliytened1 said:

It's like saying hey "I'm stronger than you so go sit down".  Being a bully leaves you in a very lonely place.   So I think he's bullying days are over and he has become too conscious for that.  At least I hope so.  Besides..proving he's more conscious than dream characters really can't be that fulfilling.

But what's your take on Solipsism itself. What direct realizations have you had (or awakenings - where are you on the spiritual path to discovering what is true) and if you haven't had any then what is your take on the ontological structure of reality based on contimplation.. .do you believe it is material or made of mind? Since we are having a discussion I'd just like to get a baseline or where you stand on certain metaphysical poiints.  Thanks in advance !

Sorry for the late reply! 

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He hasn't said that in a while I think he's matured past that point. 

Gocha. Apologies for bringing it up then, but I’m really pleased to hear that's been changed! I definitely don’t want to claim any absolute statements when it comes to solipsism, but I had psychedelic experiences that have tilted my perspective.

What I’ve noticed is that simply using psychedelics doesn’t automatically lead to more insight. However, the more deconstruction I engage in, the more it guides my experiences in a helpful direction. These forum debates really help me in my process of deconstruction, I noticed! It can sometimes be tricky contemplating alone, as I don't have a clear sense of what is possible. For example, I know for a fact that I wouldn’t be able to contemplate a lot of Actualized.org topics without psychedelics or Leo’s videos as input. To be honest, even AI contemplation can be limiting, as it tends to become overly agreeable with your views once it senses the direction you're leaning toward. Though there are ways to prevent this, actual proper forum discussions have been really valuable for me in this regard. 

I tend to lean on classical "tautological-like" logic, since it seems like the one thing God "follows," if you will. It’s simply the logic of Is-ness and I am-ness, which are tied to definitions and existence itself.

For example, if I accept solipsism as true, the definition of solipsism inherently involves “oneness”; there’s only one thing, one substrate, or one "material" that constructs this reality. For now, I hold this belief, but I remain open to changing my view. My issue, though, is that if solipsism is true, then when Leo talks about the infinity of gods, each "separate" from one another, it doesn’t logically hold up. As I mentioned earlier, there seems to be an implied difference in "substrate" and "material," but what defines or divides them? What's the "boundary" between these Absolutes? When does Absolute God 1 begin, and Absolute God 2 start? If we say "God," then that brings up the issue again: it’s God dividing God into more gods, which points to Solipism and negates "Infinity of Gods". But if all Leo means is that God can “delude” Himself into a multitude of infinites within Himself as part of a dream to create connection and love, I fully agree. That follows Solipism and his original arguments, too. That makes perfect sense given the nature of Infinity.

So, the only issue I have is with the words “separate,” “outside,” and “completely isolated from each other.” If we’re referring to Oneness (God), then how can anything truly be separate from it?

Also, I apologize to both you and Leo if I came off as combative. This forum is a space for me to expand my understanding. If I give arguments, it’s because I’m trying to learn through contemplation and future psychedelic experiences, so I enjoy it. But if an argument doesn’t add up, I’ll continue to call it out until I’m provided with an alternative that feels more cohesive.

I think my criticism stemmed from the fact that, at the start of the forum, there were some bold statements made regarding solipsism, especially from Leo. But when I probed deeper with further argumentation, the responses seemed more uncertain, with statements like, "Well, my views always change, I’m uncertain. It's open to anything." My only criticism was that if someone is uncertain about the subject, it might be better to admit that upfront in the post. Otherwise, it can come across in a way that might be confusing. Nonetheless, I’m glad things have been clarified now!

As for my own experience, logically, I’m much further along in the concept of "You created your own reality" and non-materialism. However, my body and brain haven’t fully adapted to this understanding. Even though I have alternative experiences and views conceptually, I’m still in the process of embodying them. That’s why I enjoy discussing and debating here; it helps me come closer to fully embodying these ideas. I also enjoy very much hearing insights that oppose my views, since that’s usually when I make the greatest leaps in my understanding. I welcome all of them. However, I would prefer more constructive replies rather than just "It is true!"... followed by questioning it... "Oh, by the way, I said my opinions can change! "

Hope that clears things up! 😊

[Mellowmarsh]

On 31/07/2025 at 9:15 PM, Meeksauce said:

But if you say that experience is dreamed from one POV, then it can't be absolutely infinite, can it?

Dreamt experiences are appearing as finite POV’s infinitely for eternity as and through many dreamers.

There’s no division between the dreamer and the dream. The dreamer’s only existence is in the dream, that takes on the shape of a finite character infinitely appearing in finite form. So even the many dreamers are illusory finite characters, appearing as though they are real.

The dreamer can only know itself upon an awakening from its own dream where recognition and remembrance is triggered that dreaming had been experienced, albeit illusory hallucinations of auditory sound and light.