Debunking Solipsism

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Water by the River

"Captain America's been torn apart now
He's a court jester with a broken heart
He said, "Turn me around and take me back to the start"
I must be losin' my mind, "Are you blind?"
"I've seen it all a million times" "

so, yes... deja vu.

[Terell Kirby]

Solipsism as humans understand it is largely conceptual. No one really knows what it means 😂

[Thought Art]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's an expanded notion of solipsism. You first realize the absoluteness of your own mind. Then you consider a possibility beyond that.

You're trying to grasp Infinity in one shot, and that's just not going to work. You have to experience/realize it in stages. You reach a crazy new level of consciousness and then later you say, "Well, what if I can imagine something even bigger?"

Hmmmm, that is paradoxical. Especially because of the real dividing the real being real. 

[Razard86]

16 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Razard86 with the help of Chatgpt4 I answer to you. Please read exactly where the issue ist. Please stay open minded, don't skip with your head. I try to tell you something . I hope with Chatgpt4 you understand my position finally:

 

I see where you're coming from. You're speaking from a radical nondual solipsistic paradigm where only direct experience exists, and everything else is imagination. I get that – and I respect the inner logic of it.

But here’s the thing: just because something is not within my current experience doesn't logically imply it cannot exist. That would be conflating epistemology with ontology.

You're saying: “If you can't confirm it, it's just a belief.”
True – I can't confirm it. But not being able to confirm something doesn't mean it's false or non-existent. It simply means: I don't know.

I prefer to stay in that space of radical not-knowing rather than collapsing everything into the assumption that I am the only reality. That, too, is just a belief – unless proven.

I'm not denying the possibility that I am the only God and you are not conscious only my perspective exists. But I’m open to the possibility that other Gods might exist too – just outside the reach of my current conscious dream (by the way Leo did that too, I don't know his actual view on that).

So the difference is: I don’t claim it must be true. I hold open the mystery. You close the mystery with total certainty.

I have realized I'm God. God is pure nothingness. Nothingness cannot be divided. This is practical. Forget the not knowing. Investigate what nothingness is. Once you investigate and realize what Nothingness is you will realize why even Infinity of Gods is just God imagining other Gods. 

Also you are mistaken, Leo says that there is direct experience and then there is imagination. I AM NOT SAYING THAT. I am saying something much more simpler...there is ONLY IMAGINATION. The same substance that human imagination is made of, is the same substance your HAND IS MADE OF. Leo complicates things too much, there is simply just imagination. To even create a difference between your human imagination and God level imagination of direct experience is to go too FAR.

So once you realize THERE IS ONLY IMAGINATION, and IMAGINATION is NOTHINGNESS. Then please explain to me how something can happen OUTSIDE OF YOU? Your problem here is you are speaking as a human. Of course a human can have an event happen outside of them, that is because a human is located in a specific location. But nothingness? It exists EVERYWHERE. Nothingness is everything!

This means if something as you say could exist outside of you, that something is YOU. There is only nothingness. Become aware of what Nothingness is! Once you become aware of it, you will realize this whole discussion is SILLY. For example ever go into DEEP SLEEP? Nothing how there is nothing? THAT is the building block of ALL of EXISTENCE. 

Nothingness is NON EXISTENCE THAT EXISTS. Are you getting it? You cannot divide that which doesn't exist. You can't stop non existence from being everywhere because it doesn't exist!!!! And yet....it does!!! This is how God breaks the logical mind and all parameters. You cannot box in or control that which does not exist. So God is a nonexistent being that has always existed. 

To understand God is to understand that God is so powerful God doesn't even need awareness of itself to accomplish a thing. For example your human body functions completely fine without you being aware of all the innerworkings involved, notice how you as God don't need to be aware of it for it to do what it is doing. God is completely autonomous and it can do so WITHOUT SELF AWARENESS. Now THAT is a MIRACLE.

Edited Friday at 02:34 PM by Razard86

[theleelajoker]

20 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

I have realized I'm God. God is pure nothingness. Nothingness cannot be divided. This is practical. Forget the not knowing. Investigate what nothingness is. Once you investigate and realize what Nothingness is you will realize why even Infinity of Gods is just God imagining other Gods. 

Also you are mistaken, Leo says that there is direct experience and then there is imagination. I AM NOT SAYING THAT. I am saying something much more simpler...there is ONLY IMAGINATION. The same substance that human imagination is made of, is the same substance your HAND IS MADE OF. Leo complicates things too much, there is simply just imagination. To even create a difference between your human imagination and God level imagination of direct experience is to go too FAR.

So once you realize THERE IS ONLY IMAGINATION, and IMAGINATION is NOTHINGNESS. Then please explain to me how something can happen OUTSIDE OF YOU? Your problem here is you are speaking as a human. Of course a human can have an event happen outside of them, that is because a human is located in a specific location. But nothingness? It exists EVERYWHERE. Nothingness is everything!

This means if something as you say could exist outside of you, that something is YOU. There is only nothingness. Become aware of what Nothingness is! Once you become aware of it, you will realize this whole discussion is SILLY. For example ever go into DEEP SLEEP? Nothing how there is nothing? THAT is the building block of ALL of EXISTENCE. 

Nothingness is NON EXISTENCE THAT EXISTS. Are you getting it? You cannot divide that which doesn't exist. You can't stop non existence from being everywhere because it doesn't exist!!!! And yet....it does!!! This is how God breaks the logical mind and all parameters. You cannot box in or control that which does not exist. So God is a nonexistent being that has always existed. 

To understand God is to understand that God is so powerful God doesn't even need awareness of itself to accomplish a thing. For example your human body functions completely fine without you being aware of all the innerworkings involved, notice how you as God don't need to be aware of it for it to do what it is doing. God is completely autonomous and it can do so WITHOUT SELF AWARENESS. Now THAT is a MIRACLE.

Nice text with good examples

[OBEler]

@Razard86 ok thanks, I understand your position better now.

[Inliytened1]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

1) I am always exploring no matter what I say. You should know this.

2) From your POV what I say doesn't really matter because you have to explore regardless to find your own answers. No matter what I say you still have to find your own truth.

I say certain things from my POV but that doesn't mean it is true for you. It also doesn't mean that my view won't evolve in the future -- it usually evolves.

Just in general, whenever humans say anything it is only true for them at that time, not forever. This is the case even if they don't realize it or say it. Everyone always speaks from their present view of reality and that view always evolves. Even an enlightened person's view evolves. So you should never take human words as absolutes.

This is pretty obvious basic stuff that you should already know without me explicating it for you.

My views evolve a lot. I would rather be evolved than consistently stuck.

This is so true.  Because you will continue to have insights and realizations as you go on.  I used to think that once you're enlightened all your questions are answered.   And in a sense they are..if you have the awakening of omniscience.   But this doesn't mean that Consciousness or reality has nothing left to explore or realize.   That is the true wonder of reality.   For example there may be things that don't click until later.. Your mind is always expanding and you are getting more and more conscious as you age.  At least for some of us.  Some of us are so stuck in their own dogma that their minds can never grow.  That is a terrible shame.

Edited Friday at 07:32 PM by Inliytened1

[Terell Kirby]

23 hours ago, Razard86 said:

God is pure nothingness.

God is also NOT nothingness. Stop dividing yourself