Implications of no free will (no responsibility?)

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's automatic.

It's alive.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, vibv said:

Nothing could be further from the truth. It is all so incredibly precious to the Divine that the human mind is not even capable of grasping the significance of it all—what remains is pondering.

In fact, pondering creates significance.

Precious is a distinction. The Divine has no distinctions. It is all distinctions and no distinction. The mind is capable of grasping distinctions which is what you have done. It is distinction itself. It's not capable of grasping the ungraspable, which is the Divine itself which is nothing. Precious to the Divine suggests separation and that something else isn't precious. The Divine doesn't see anything as precious. It is the seeing and the precious. Infact, it doesn't even see at all. Seeing is happening all on it's own. There is no it to see anything, only appears to.

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, vibv said:

It's alive.

 

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, vibv said:

It's alive.

Nothing is alive or dead. That's also a distinction. Nothing is polarized. The mind is what's making that distinction also. Aliveness is all there is, so nothing is alive. 'It's alive' suggests something else that's dead.

[vibv]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Precious is a distinction. The Divine has no distinctions. It is all distinctions and no distinction. The mind is capable of grasping distinctions which is what you have done. It is distinction itself. It's not capable of grasping the ungraspable, which is the Divine itself which is nothing. Precious to the Divine suggests separation and that something else isn't precious. The Divine doesn't see anything as precious. It is the seeing and the precious. Infact, it doesn't even see at all. Seeing is happening all on it's own. There is no it to see anything, only appears to.

Your view of reality has too little amazement & beauty for my taste. You don't dare enough.

Edited Saturday at 03:39 PM by vibv

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, vibv said:

Your view of reality has too little amazement & beauty for my taste. Your mind doesn't dare enough.

Yes, it's just this simple. The mind is what wants it to be flamboyant and extreme with lots of fairytales and fantasies. What dream do you think would want to dream of just walking down the road. It wants to be on the beach sipping margaritas and hot chicks on the side. A dream of a lonely stone on the road is quite boring to the mind/dream. So I agree, but I like simplicity.

Edited Saturday at 03:42 PM by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

I don't need psychedelics to see the Divine. I see the Divine everywhere, even in cockroaches. A cockroach wouldn't know to run from me if it wasn't Divine intelligence. The dream loves flamboyancy and to see elephants in a wall and bright colors vibrating away. All I need do is look everywhere. Divine intelligence is sitting on a park bench sipping tea. None of that is anyone's doing; it's all Divine, my love, even the psychedelics you've taken that spoilt you into wanting something more. @vibv

[theleelajoker]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't need psychedelics to see the Divine. I see the Divine everywhere, even in cockroaches. A cockroach wouldn't know to run from me if it wasn't Divine intelligence. The dream loves flamboyancy and to see elephants in a wall and bright colors vibrating away. All I need do is look everywhere. Divine intelligence is sitting on a park bench sipping tea. None of that is anyone's doing; it's all Divine, my love, even the psychedelics you've taken that spoilt you into wanting something more. @vibv

I relate re seeing the divine in everything, even me typing this message on the phone. It's not always necessary to seek the extraordinary, the comfortable, the super high state. That's something I am also learning and integrating.

However, seeing the divine everywhere and enjoying it, living in it's flow, appreciating it can be two different things.

It's a vibe of "I like being here" vs. "I am here" or even "I don't want to be here". Speaking from experience

And few people give off the first vibe a lot...

Edited Saturday at 03:58 PM by theleelajoker

[PurpleTree]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't need psychedelics to see the Divine. I see the Divine everywhere, even in cockroaches. A cockroach wouldn't know to run from me if it wasn't Divine intelligence. @vibv

That’s like Byron Katie. Take me away cockroaches. On the floor you know.

[Princess Arabia]

27 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

It's a vibe of "I like being here" vs. "I am here" or even "I don't want to be here". Speaking from experience

And few people give off the first vibe a lot...

Yes, because of the "here" part. It's the tragedy of humans, thinking we are "here". That here sense. It sucks and breeds suffering and discontentment. It doesn't feel good at times and is always seeking for "there". Can't be helped. Not even so-called enlightenment can help that because there's no one "here" to know the difference and no one here already. Enlightenment is a trap that's why the mind invented chop wood carry water and says enlightened people can still be so and so. It excuses away it's illusory term and finds all sorts of reasoning why and how an enlightened being can still be enlightened and do such and such.

Edited Saturday at 04:25 PM by Princess Arabia

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's no one in life going around saying 'there's no one' all day every day or in regular conversations. It just happens to come up in a non-dual conversation that fits the bill then we go back to normal life. Who writes about "there is someone here", only @Someone herewho feels the need to say there's someone here...lol. No one says anything about someone being here, sounds good, not 'there's no one', who wants to hear that, doesn't feel good. 

Do You know that you are very hilarious and likeable person ?😂 

Edited Saturday at 04:31 PM by Someone here

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Do You know that you are very hilarious and likeable person ?😂 

Someone here loves you too❤️hehe.

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Someone here loves you too❤️hehe.

Mutual 😁

Around the topic of free will ..i wrote this passage sometime ago :

there is no choice. You are not choosing anything. And I mean anything. Everything. 

You are not in control of what's happening right now . Its easy to prove if you try to imagine the thought you're going to have in the next 10 seconds.

In a sense.. I'm not writing this.. and you are not reading this. It's all being played and it's all karma. Circumstances are infinitely complex and destiny is inevitble. As the awareness watching the movie.. we have zero influence over the plot.

"You're not doing it, it's doing you" - Alan Watts

 

You didn't choose your birth as this particular human.. In this particular world.. In this particular part of the world.. In this particular Era.. To this particular family.. With this particular genetics.. With this particular gender.. With this particular look.. Yada yada..you didn't choose the language that you are speaking.. You didn't choose your upbringing.. You didn't choose your cultural conditioning.. You don't choose your heart beat.. You don't choose your thoughts.. You don't choose your actions.. You don't choose your reactions.. You don't choose what you agree with.. You don't choose what you disagree with.. You don't choose your beliefs.. your desires.. your traits your moods.. your habits.. your chances.. your anything lol...simply because you are not real as an individual. you yourself are a thought or at a best a continuity of conditioned thoughts been shaped by your environment. 

[Princess Arabia]

37 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You didn't choose your birth as this particular human.. In this particular world.. In this particular part of the world.. In this particular Era.. To this particular family.. With this particular genetics.. With this particular gender.. With this particular look.. Yada yada..you didn't choose the language that you are speaking.. You didn't choose your upbringing.. You didn't choose your cultural conditioning.. You don't choose your heart beat.. You don't choose your thoughts.. You don't choose your actions.. You don't choose your reactions.. You don't choose what you agree with.. You don't choose what you disagree with.. You don't choose your beliefs.. your desires.. your traits your moods.. your habits.. your chances.. your anything lol...simply because you are not real as an individual. you yourself are a thought or at a best a continuity of conditioned thoughts been shaped by your environment. 

Pretty much....except you're suggesting there's a you that didn't choose. I know it's word semantics but I'm just responding and replying and expressing. I didn't choose my parents because there is just no I to begin with, not because I didn't get to choose and the choice was done for me there just isn't an I to choose and those aren't my thoughts, conditioning, beliefs, etc, my anything. Nothing is owned. That's why you're born with nothing die with nothing. 

Edited Saturday at 05:18 PM by Princess Arabia

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Pretty much....except you're suggesting there's a you that didn't choose. I know it's word semantics but I'm just responding and replying and expressing. I didn't choose my parents because there is just no I to begin with, not because I didn't get to choose and the choice was done for me there just isn't an I to choose and those aren't my thoughts, conditioning, beliefs, etc, my anything. Nothing is owned. That's why you're born with nothing die with nothing. 

"simply because you are not real as an individual".

[SOUL]

@Princess Arabia Um...ok. It was just some humor  Your joy was a refreshing presence on the forum when you first arrived but I hope you don't fall in the trap.

 

Edited Saturday at 05:48 PM by SOUL

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, SOUL said:

@Princess Arabia Um...ok.  Your joy was a refreshing presence on the forum when you first arrived but I hope you don't fall in the trap.

 

God, not this video again. Thank God there are no real traps. This convo i think is a duplicate of a previous one I had with you a few years back. I believe it was you, if I remember correctly. If it wasn't, it was someone else. Did you know anything about traps before someone told you about traps, no, all made up. A story. Did anyone had to tell you to breathe. No, no story, not made up. I'm not a slave to life. Eating, shitting, peeing, talking, laughing, conversing, sneezing, belching, etcetc, will still go on trap or no trap. You're in the trap of believing there are traps, that's the only trap. Call it what you want and tell me what's going to happen to me if I'm already in the trap you've slapped unto me. Please tell me what will happen....waiting....

[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, SOUL said:

 Your joy was a refreshing presence on the forum when you first arrived

That's the trap, expecting me to be a joy all the time and to stop feeding you unwanted feelings. If I give you nothing, I'm not a joy. Me, me, me, me, me,. Truth hurts.

Edited Saturday at 05:53 PM by Princess Arabia

[SOUL]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

God, not this video again. Thank God there are no real traps. This convo i think is a duplicate of a previous one I had with you a few years back. I believe it was you, if I remember correctly. If it wasn't, it was someone else. Did you know anything about traps before someone told you about traps, no, all made up. A story. Did anyone had to tell you to breathe. No, no story, not made up. I'm not a slave to life. Eating, shitting, peeing, talking, laughing, conversing, sneezing, belching, etcetc, will still go on trap or no trap. You're in the trap of believing there are traps, that's the only trap. Call it what you want and tell me what's going to happen to me if I'm already in the trap you've slapped unto me. Please tell me what will happen....waiting....

No, I've never said anything like this to you before. It was just a joke I was making and we've shared laughs before but then you reply with 'no one' this and that. I said I hope you don't fall into it, not that you already have fallen in.  Kinda weird.

[SOUL]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's the trap, expecting me to be a joy all the time and to stop feeding you unwanted feelings. If I give you nothing, I'm not a joy. Me, me, me, me, me,. Truth hurts.

Yep...no joy anymore with you I suppose. I'll keep laughing though, my joy won't be disturbed.