Implications of no free will (no responsibility?)

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@PurpleTree No its trapped in the body by your reactions aka karma. There is something reacting to the chemical reactions. Thats you, nothing. You are the reaction to chemical reaction. Not the chemical or reactions of chemical but the reaction to the chemical reaction.

Yea and it’s probably not free is what’s implied here. We’re going in circles Stewie.

[Hojo]

@PurpleTree You have the free will to not  react to the thought about grabbing your dick when it gets hard. Wether it happens or not is not your will. You also have the free will to guilt yourself after you do it or not guilt yourself. 

If a hot girl asks you out you have the free will to stay calmn or get nervous.

This free will only shows itself once you are awakened and see you are not your body.

Edited Thursday at 04:42 PM by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

27 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Love has a concious will. Love is your nature. 

I'm assuming you mean unconditional love, which is all there is. "Conscious will", is a limitation. Unconditional love has no will. Conscious suggests unconscious. It is neither conscious nor unconscious. It has no labels. It IS all the labels.

Edited Thursday at 04:40 PM by Princess Arabia

[Wilhelm44]

32 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

The will of love is manifesting through you and love is free. So you do have a free will. Free will is your ultimate nature. 

How would you describe your experience of Free Will as your ultimate nature ? 

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@PurpleTree You have the free will to not  react to the thought about grabbing your dick when it gets hard. Wether it happens or not is not your will. You also have the free will to guilt yourself after you do it or not guilt yourself 

No you probably don’t is what’s implied here.

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

How would you describe your experience of Free Will as your ultimate nature ? 

You're manifesting your entire reality by no other impulse than by just your desire to do so. That desire is love. And that Force is what you are. 

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm assuming you mean unconditional love, which is all there is. "Conscious will", is a limitation. Unconditional love has no will. Conscious suggests unconscious. It is neither conscious nor unconscious. It has no labels. It IS all the labels.

There's no difference between love and will. 

Love is the will of everything. 

Edited Thursday at 04:47 PM by Salvijus

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@PurpleTree You have the free will to not  react to the thought about grabbing your dick when it gets hard. Wether it happens or not is not your will.

If grabbing happens or not, both are still reactions but it's the body that reacts not the person. Let me see you react or not react. Do you have the free will to react either way. No. If you grab the dick, that's a reaction, if you don't, that's still a reaction. Can you do otherwise. Is there free will on your part to grab or not to grab. 

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

There's no difference between love and will. 

Love is the will of everything. 

Love then, according to your logic or whatever you call it, is the unwillingness of everything. 'Will' suggests there is a 'no will', which is a duality. Love is all there is. There is no such thing as 'no will' in this context; so therefore, Love, as were describing it here, cannot be the WILL of anything or everything. Will is a condition and unconditional love has no conditions. You have placed a limitation in Love by saying it is the will of everything and suggesting it is also the unwillingness of everything.

[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia I will rephrase if life is like a tv show you have the free will of whatever someone watching a television show has to the television show. Your reactions to the television show have a real time effect on the television show. So you can laugh ( not you physically ) cry ( not physically) get angry ( not physically) to life and thats your free will.

If you can learn to harness this you can change your television show to what you want.

Society or the television show has trained us into reacting the way it wants and its fucking peoole up.

Edited Thursday at 05:28 PM by Hojo

[Salvijus]

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Love then, according to your logic or whatever you call it, is the unwillingness of everything. 'Will' suggests there is a 'no will', which is a duality. Love is all there is. There is no such thing as 'no will' in this context; so therefore, Love, as were describing it here, cannot be the WILL of anything or everything. Will is a condition and unconditional love has no conditions. You have placed a limitation in Love by saying it is the will of everything and suggesting it is also the unwillingness of everything.

Let me rephrase it so it would be less confusing.

"Love is the only intelligence/energy that can create.

Love is responsible for everything.

Love's will is the only will there is."

Edited Thursday at 05:04 PM by Salvijus

[SOUL]

It seems to me that people don't understand what 'free will' is...they treat the matter as if it's a binary of extremes, like a light switch, either it's on or it's off.

It isn't.

[Salvijus]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Love then, according to your logic or whatever you call it, is the unwillingness of everything. 'Will' suggests there is a 'no will', which is a duality. Love is all there is. There is no such thing as 'no will' in this context; so therefore, Love, as were describing it here, cannot be the WILL of anything or everything. Will is a condition and unconditional love has no conditions. You have placed a limitation in Love by saying it is the will of everything and suggesting it is also the unwillingness of everything.

Will is not a condition ON love. 

There is only will. And love is the name of that will. 

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, SOUL said:

It seems to me that people don't understand what 'free will' is...they treat the matter as if it's a binary of extremes, like a light switch, either it's on or it's off.

It isn't.

And how do you know this? 

[Wilhelm44]

14 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Let me rephrase it so it would be less confusing.

"Love is the only intelligence/energy that can create.

Love is responsible for everything.

Love's will is the only will there is."

So Will is another name for God ?

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

So Will is another name for God ?

Yes

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Yes

I'm done.🤣

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm done.🤣

As you will 

[Princess Arabia]

30 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Let me rephrase it so it would be less confusing.

"Love is the only intelligence/energy that can create.

Love is responsible for everything.

Love's will is the only will there is."

There is no creation. Creation implies time and space of which there is none. Love being responsible for everything implies there's something else that's not responsible for everything. Saying Love is responsible for everything is saying there is Love and then there is everything. Love is not responsible for anything. Unconditional love is all there is, meaning there are no conditions for anything being. It just is regardless of.....this or that isn't there or here because of love's responsibility. There are no real objects. I'm done. It's OK. Doesn't matter.

Edited Thursday at 05:32 PM by Princess Arabia

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is no creation. Creation implies time and space of which there is none. Love being responsible for everything implies there's something else that's not responsible for everything. Saying Love is responsible for everything is saying there is Love and then there is everything. Love is not responsible for anything. Unconditional love is all there is, meaning there are no conditions for anything being. It just is regardless of.....this or that isn't there or here because of love's responsibility. There are no real objects. I'm done. It's OK. Doesn't matter.

Shlama amukhun

 

Edited Thursday at 05:37 PM by Salvijus

[SOUL]

47 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

And how do you know this? 

It's quite obvious, how can you not know this?