What makes you not commit suicide?

[Basman]

19 minutes ago, TheCloud said:

It seems contradictory to me to say both "The mind is very powerful" and "It's all in your head" in the same argument.  In my experience, "It's all in your head" is typically a statement that dismisses the power of the mind.  I'd rather lean toward the mind being very powerful, which is why I suggest facing thoughts with due respect as such.

Some thoughts, including thoughts of suicide, can be very slippery and don't want to be faced because they're used to their anonymous power.  They don't easily share their secrets.  It can be tricky to get to them and find out what you describe of them using the idea of suicide for catharsis or control or escape or whatever it is they really happen to be doing outside the light.

I don't really disagree with you, I just want to acknowledge that thoughts are to be first respected, even if they are then to be dismissed.

Thoughts aren't actually real, which is the point, but they do drive you into action and create your reality. You don't really need to "respect" thoughts in my opinion in any kind of sense. Just change what you focus on. You can literally talk yourself out of a thought pattern like your talking to ChatGPT, to use a modern day example.

Being suicidal is when you are run by negative thought patterns that interpret reality in such a way that you feel suicide is the only option. Suicide in of itself is a natural response to the sense of a helpless situation. The issue is that thoughts may or may not correspond with reality. At least to a certain degree, you are free to interpret reality however you want, which is especially true in first world countries where we have the free time to ponder while at the same time being socially isolate.

Granted, I'm not a mentally ill person, so mileage may vary, but in my experience you have a lot of power to change your mind by changing what you focus on, thereby changing your reality. That is the power of mind. If you are seriously mentally ill then you probably would benefit from professional treatment.

My perspective is not meant to belittle or undermine the difficulty of a sick mind, but I do believe that you have more power over your situation than you tend to think you do in most situations.

[TheCloud]

1 hour ago, Basman said:

You can literally talk yourself out of a thought pattern like your talking to ChatGPT, to use a modern day example.

Is that all there is to it?  Like looking in the mirror and saying, "I'm now done being suicidal," and moving on with your life just like that?

[Miguel1]

I have suicidal thoughts sometimes, who doesn't. I have them during really tough and low times, during times I’m badly stuck and feel hopeless.

And pretty much every time the way I've dealt with it has been by just getting crystal clear about my values, what I want, what is a life worth living for, and is it reachable? Is there anything beautiful I can live for? I can fight for?

If there is, then simply just by aligning myself to the path towards that already pulls me out of it.

Getting out of my ego, and focusing on things that actually matter is the key.

I am realizing now, but finding beauty in life is really what keeps me going. Without beauty, life is utterly meaningless and grey.

[Aaron p]

Did some research, according to data, of all the people who enter an extremely negative situation in life in the UK and USA combined, lots commit suicide and it's not even reported.

Of all of them, over the last 20 years, if 1% commit suicide that's 18,000, if 0.5% commit suicide that's 9,000 and if 0.1% commit suicide that's 1,800. From 2005. What's strange is, it doesn't get much media attention and that's a conservative estimation. There are different procedures in other countries. Namely, what is reported on

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[Basman]

4 hours ago, Aaron p said:

What's strange is, it doesn't get much media attention and that's a conservative estimation.

They don't report when people jump infront of trains because it could inspire copycats.

It's all not really newsworthy most of the time. Male virgin loser kills himself. Ok and? Not unusual. 

[Aaron p]

2 hours ago, Basman said:

They don't report when people jump infront of trains because it could inspire copycats.

It's all not really newsworthy most of the time. Male virgin loser kills himself. Ok and? Not unusual. 

Actually you raise a good point, probably to stop others from getting ideas. What I find more interesting however, is the government officials that make the systems that cause the suicides. 

The thing is, it happens. These are facts that are being spoken with minimal judgement. If I see a tree I say, "there is a tree." Or if I see a car I say, "there is a car." Or perhaps I see my dog and I say "there is my dog." These are statements that reflect reality. by this, what I mean is: what is being said, happens. 

What I also see is governmental systems that cause tens of thousands of males to commit suicide and they just brush it under the rug. And the ones who don't kill themselves either speak out or act out (some more subtly than others). And the ones that speak out or act out...the government points to these reactions as evidence that they they were correct, even though the only reason these people are behaving badly is because the government crippled them. See, if you just cripple peoples lives it's much easier to make them quiet and thereby maintain an illusion that everything's calm and beautiful, unless they interact with a particularly strong individual. If they commit suicide they are no longer a voice to be heard, and they point to the "speaking out" of the ones who don't commit suicide and say, "look! This individual is a dangerous person, this confirms it!" (In spite of the fact that they were the ones who caused the speaking out in the first place) which enables them to continue to be heavier and heavier and heavier. Until of course the system breaks after a couple hundred thousand suicides. It's like a suicide feedback loop that confirms it's own bias by crippling people then pointing to their bad behaviour thereafter and using it as evidence that the initial crippling was justified. 

what really gets me is that, statistically, there are children who are males who exist right now for whom it on only a matter of time before they grow up end up being victims to this. And within further statistics, some of them will be crippled so badly that, not only will they not be able to speak out, they won't be able to speak about it to anyone and some will simply commit suicide.

[Yimpa]

Journalling has saved my life countless times. Public journalling, especially. Nothing to hide. Just naked truth. 

Oh, yeah, and of course the magic substance called Love

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Aaron p said:

Actually you raise a good point, probably to stop others from getting ideas. What I find more interesting however, is the government officials that make the systems that cause the suicides. 

The thing is, it happens. These are facts that are being spoken with minimal judgement. If I see a tree I say, "there is a tree." Or if I see a car I say, "there is a car." Or perhaps I see my dog and I say "there is my dog." These are statements that reflect reality. by this, what I mean is: what is being said, happens. 

What I also see is governmental systems that cause tens of thousands of males to commit suicide and they just brush it under the rug. And the ones who don't kill themselves either speak out or act out (some more subtly than others). And the ones that speak out or act out...the government points to these reactions as evidence that they they were correct, even though the only reason these people are behaving badly is because the government crippled them. See, if you just cripple peoples lives it's much easier to make them quiet and thereby maintain an illusion that everything's calm and beautiful, unless they interact with a particularly strong individual. If they commit suicide they are no longer a voice to be heard, and they point to the "speaking out" of the ones who don't commit suicide and say, "look! This individual is a dangerous person, this confirms it!" (In spite of the fact that they were the ones who caused the speaking out in the first place) which enables them to continue to be heavier and heavier and heavier. Until of course the system breaks after a couple hundred thousand suicides. It's like a suicide feedback loop that confirms it's own bias by crippling people then pointing to their bad behaviour thereafter and using it as evidence that the initial crippling was justified. 

what really gets me is that, statistically, there are children who are males who exist right now for whom it on only a matter of time before they grow up end up being victims to this. And within further statistics, some of them will be crippled so badly that, not only will they not be able to speak out, they won't be able to speak about it to anyone and some will simply commit suicide.

How does the government cripple men?