Reality vs. Consciousness (Chicken-Egg Problem)

[UnbornTao]

@Breakingthewall You're stuck in mental masturbation. Be willing to learn.

Edited Thursday at 01:51 PM by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

am trying to help you realize God. This is the whole point of my work.

Exactly, that's the point. If you say god, I agree, I call it totality. But conciousness.....it's like the noise of scratching a blackboard with your nails. Like a door in front of my face that prevents me to realize the absolute, or god. 

Just my perspective, I understand that about God very good, I am god, god is total, it's everything, and here and now I am that. But that realization is closed by the fact of being human. It's quite simple but very difficult to understand how to dissolve the door

Edited Thursday at 01:52 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Breakingthewall You keep going with the mental masturbation. Be willing to learn.

Seems that you don't understand what I say. I can open myself to the absolute, what I'm doing is finding perspectives that open, to do it more easy and help others to do the same. I can open myself to the absolute total unlimited not totally easy, but quite. Without big psychedelic or anything. I'd say that it's quite obvious what I'm pointing, sorry that you don't see

[UnbornTao]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Seems that you don't understand what I say. I can open myself to the absolute, what I'm doing is finding perspectives that open, to do it more easy and help others to do the same. I can open myself to the absolute total unlimited not totally easy, but quite. Without big psychedelic or anything. I'd say that it's quite obvious what I'm pointing, sorry that you don't see

Teach thy tongue to say I do not know and thou shalt progress.

Edited Thursday at 01:53 PM by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, UnbornTao said:

Teach your tongue to say "I don't know."

Then according to you I should lie ? Why?

[UnbornTao]

@Breakingthewall "Teach thy tongue to say I do not know and thou shalt progress."

Edited Thursday at 02:16 PM by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Breakingthewall "Teach thy tongue to say I do not know and thou shalt progress."

 

How are you so sure that I'm lying or I'm wrong or stuck? 

Btw point something that I said that's wrong, maybe it could help me to see more clear 

Edited Thursday at 02:02 PM by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, James123 said:

Do you teach that actually what God or absolute Truth is actually letting go all experiences (including experiences under influence of psychedelics)? 

You don't need to let go of experience because your present experience is God.

Experience is Truth. Could not be otherwise.

Edited Thursday at 02:03 PM by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't need to let go of experience because your present experience is God.

Experience is Truth. Could not be otherwise.

You could say in that way and you also could say: the fact of an apparent movement and change is happening, even it's the expression of the absolute, then god itself taking a form, veils the absolute nature of god, because the experience drags the perception to the form, making it opaque to the divine nature of the totality.

It's the same from another perspective. The point is expressing it in that way that clarifies the most

[James123]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't need to let go of experience because your present experience is God.

Actually, present moment is God or absolute Truth. There is no separate "you" that experiences the "present moment". Present moment is You.

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Experience is Truth. Could not be otherwise.

No. Experiencing starts with attachment / thinking. When one is not attach with thinking, there is no experiencer, mind, experienced, one, he or she. That what present moment or absolute Truth is. Out of charts. Anything that belongs to mind, or experienced, learned etc.. is not it.

When did or does your experience start? You believe that consciousness or God is keep experiencing? 

[gettoefl]

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God's Will is not involved in perception at any level, and has nothing to do with choice. Consciousness, by contrast, is the receptive mechanism, receiving thoughts from above or below; from spirit or ego. Consciousness has levels and awareness of it can shift quite dramatically, but it cannot transcend the perceptual realm. At its highest it becomes aware of the the reflection of heaven, and can be trained to do so increasingly. Yet the very fact that it has levels and can be trained demonstrates that it cannot reach divine knowledge.

- ACIM

 

Edited Thursday at 03:15 PM by gettoefl

[Hojo]

Look in front of you, Think of things you can grasp in your field of view with your hand, 1 by 1 eliminate things by what you can grasp with your hand. You can grasp anything in your field of view. There is something in your field of view you cannot grasp but its there. That thing in not in your head its consciousness and before everything you can grasp with your hand.

You cant grasp it but you can see that you cant grasp it.

Edited Thursday at 03:18 PM by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

God's Will is not involved in perception at any level, and has nothing to do with choice. Consciousness, by contrast, is the receptive mechanism, receiving thoughts from above or below; from spirit or ego. Consciousness has levels and awareness of it can shift quite dramatically, but it cannot transcend the perceptual realm. At its highest it becomes aware of the the reflection of heaven, and can be trained to do so increasingly. Yet the very fact that it has levels and can be trained demonstrates that it cannot reach divine knowledge.

- ACIM

Nonsense.

These people do not understand God.

[Leo Gura]

58 minutes ago, James123 said:

When did or does your experience start?

There is no start. This experience NOW is Absolute. Here it is. Don't look backward or forward.

Edited Thursday at 03:24 PM by Leo Gura

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no start. This experience NOW is Absolute. Here it is. Don't look backward or forward.

The Now is absolute, however, without the "experience or you". because, "experience and you" is already a separation.

[Leo Gura]

Absolute/Experience/You. It's all one thing.

[gettoefl]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Nonsense.

These people do not understand God.

The absolute doesn't need consciousness to be aware of itself. How could it? It's absolutely one. Consciousness is of dreams.

[James123]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Absolute/Experience/You. It's all one thing.

So, What is the essence of them, which makes it all one? 😀

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

The absolute doesn't need consciousness to be aware of itself. How could it? It's absolutely one. Consciousness is of dreams.

You are imagining a distinction between the Absolute and Consciousness. They are identical.

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

So, What is the essence of them, which makes it all one? 😀

It's always One. Infinity.

[PurpleTree]

What came first? The chicken or the egg?