Reality vs. Consciousness (Chicken-Egg Problem)

[Sugarcoat]

9 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Sugarcoat Yes

But then is that the same as saying that a tomato is the same substance as consciousness? Then we can’t use any relative concept

[yetineti]

14 hours ago, James123 said:

Hey brother.

Thank you very much for your answer.

However, please do not believe what you said. These are all beliefs.

Best Regards,

Do not patronize me and act like you know the answers to the questions you asked.

It is condescending and cold.

[yetineti]

16 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

But then is that the same as saying that a tomato is the same substance as consciousness? Then we can’t use any relative concept

@Sugarcoat

Yes, a tomato is the same substance as consciousness; consciousness.

Consciousness can be anything and is the only thing. Whatever it decides to be it is. This includes relative concepts.

So, you’re right to see how it changes things just don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
 

 

Edited Friday at 06:54 PM by yetineti

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Sugarcoat

Yes, a tomato is the same substance as consciousness; consciousness.

Consciousness can be anything and is the only thing. Whatever it decides to be it is. This includes relative concepts.

So, you’re right to see how it changes things just don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
 

 

Why call it consciousness?

[yetineti]

14 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

but the absolute is the nature of the existence not the existence itself. The existence is movement, becoming. 

Too many unnecessary layers.

There is only ONE thing.

 

[yetineti]

@Sugarcoat

Consciousness is ‘the state of being awake and aware of one’s surroundings.’

This state is fundamental to reality.

Personally, I may prefer the word ‘Awareness’ instead. But it’s also really just ‘God’ and ‘Truth’ as well.

However you look at it— it’s all the same thing and really words are just a map to a land you must walk. The map could be burned and the land would remain.

Consciousness is just a word— but as accurate as a word can be.

 

Edited Friday at 07:10 PM by yetineti

[James123]

50 minutes ago, yetineti said:

Do not patronize me and act like you know the answers to the questions you asked.

It hurts the "i" right. 😊 However, it is patronizing to "you", but absolutely helping to "you to be dropped and conscious or Be of Real You".

Dont trust that "i". 

The biggest enemy is yourself.

The answer of my questions is infinity, mind, universe are all beliefs attachment to knowledge, as said before. 

Can you be alive if you never learned anything? 😊 your entire life story or any experiences is just an attachment of thinking. 

And if you ask what is thinking? Deeply, look at it, is there anything there? 😊 

Edited Friday at 07:31 PM by James123

[yetineti]

@James123

Don’t take me pointing out how you’re coming across as me being personally offended. It makes you look defensive and manipulative.

 

 

Edited Friday at 07:42 PM by yetineti

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, yetineti said:

Unfortunately what we think and Truth do not always align.

No— the point is just Truth. Openness and dissolution have no more to do with Truth than anything else. It’s a bias you have.

It’s confusing because you haven’t directly become aware of it. And then it will still be confusing. It is synonymous, though.

 

Sounds good, then enlightenment is the identification of the reality with the idea: conciousness. Not easy but not impossible 

Edited Friday at 07:55 PM by Breakingthewall

[James123]

12 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@James123

Don’t take me pointing out how you’re coming across as me being personally offended. It makes you look defensive

 

 

Saying that these are all beliefs and please let go? 😊 

Funny 😊 

13 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@James123

 manipulative.

 

 

If I make you feel that way, I am sorry.

Much love.

Best Regards,

[yetineti]

@Breakingthewall

I could tell you my story and what worked for me and yada yada yada, but that would imply a lot of differences between us that I don’t see.

It would also be easy for me to say that people will wake up when they want to wake up or that I woke up because I decided that I wanted to. But that would imply a different state that I don’t feel like I ever entered.

I could say you will wake up when you wake up whether you want to or not, but then that would imply that you shouldn’t watch Leo’s videos or contemplate or meditate or take care of yourself.

Just take care of yourself.

 

[yetineti]

@James123 

Stop with your nonsense.

[Sugarcoat]

50 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Sugarcoat

Consciousness is ‘the state of being awake and aware of one’s surroundings.’

This state is fundamental to reality.

Personally, I may prefer the word ‘Awareness’ instead. But it’s also really just ‘God’ and ‘Truth’ as well.

However you look at it— it’s all the same thing and really words are just a map to a land you must walk. The map could be burned and the land would remain.

Consciousness is just a word— but as accurate as a word can be.

 

“State of being awake” awake as in not sleeping or enlightened?

I am aware of my surroundings. It’s fundamental to being human. But it’s dual to me. I am aware of my surroundings as separate from me. How is this truth?

 

[James123]

9 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@James123 

Stop with your nonsense.

💋 

[yetineti]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

“State of being awake” awake as in not sleeping or enlightened?

It is a state of awareness that supersedes sleep, enlightenment, etc.

The general notion is that even when you are sleeping or think you are unaware—  There is even an awareness of that.

The whole point is the thing that feels awake— even as you read this— never goes away.

It is fundamental to all of reality.  Rocks, trees, birds, plants, animals, people, waterfalls, politics, video games, television, food, junk food, bad feelings, good feelings, sex, abstinence, pain, suffering, fruits, vegetables, up, down, etc..

All these things come after consciousness not before.

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I am aware of my surroundings as separate from me.

They’re not technically, but you can see them as separate if you’d like.  It may prohibit you from seeing what I’m saying though.

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

How is this truth?

Well, it’s one thing to realize that everything is the same thing, but it is important to recognize that whatever everything is must be true otherwise it could not be. This gets confusing because it includes falsehood as well.

@Sugarcoat

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Breakingthewall

I could tell you my story and what worked for me and yada yada yada, but that would imply a lot of differences between us that I don’t see.

It would also be easy for me to say that people will wake up when they want to wake up or that I woke up because I decided that I wanted to. But that would imply a different state that I don’t feel like I ever entered.

I could say you will wake up when you wake up whether you want to or not, but then that would imply that you shouldn’t watch Leo’s videos or contemplate or meditate or take care of yourself.

Just take care of yourself.

 

I don't think that the identification of the reality with the idea of conciousness is enlightenment, in fact I'm sure about it. But maybe you don't mean exactly that. Enlightenment is the openess to your true nature, and can't be named, because it's everything. Conciousness is just an aspect, possiblity, facet of the reality, at least how i understand the word "conciousness"

You can't say that the reality is conciousness because you don't know what is conciousness to the other person, for you it's an idea maybe for me another, but one thing is sure, the reality is beyond any definition, it's open

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, yetineti said:

It is a state of awareness that supersedes sleep, enlightenment, etc.

The general notion is that even when you are sleeping or think you are unaware—  There is even an awareness of that.

The whole point is the thing that feels awake— even as you read this— never goes away.

It is fundamental to all of reality.  Rocks, trees, birds, plants, animals, people, waterfalls, politics, video games, television, food, junk food, bad feelings, good feelings, sex, abstinence, pain, suffering, fruits, vegetables, up, down, etc..

All these things come after consciousness not before.

They’re not technically, but you can see them as separate if you’d like.  It may prohibit you from seeing what I’m saying though.

Well, it’s one thing to realize that everything is the same thing, but it is important to recognize that whatever everything is must be true otherwise it could not be. This gets confusing because it includes falsehood as well.

@Sugarcoat

 

 

Reality is not a "thing" , it's limitlessness. It's absolutely totally impossible to define or grasp it. It's quite obvious, any "thing", even something apparently unlimited like "conciousness" is limited. 

But anyway, maybe there are many ways to understand 

[yetineti]

@Breakingthewall

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You can't say that the reality is consciousness because you don't know what is consciousness to the other person.

Speak for yourself.

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Reality is not a "thing" , it's limitlessness. It's absolutely totally impossible to define or grasp it.

Yet you try 🙂 why?

[Davino]

@Xonas Pitfall What you call Reality is Consciousness. What is consciousness is Reality.

This is the bar for what I call The Classic Awakening.

Little experiment: notice your present experience.

The breath.

The body.

The space around you.

Notice that you are conscious of it all. The colours, the sensations, the hot, the cold, the wind, the pressure, the sound... It's all inside your consciousness. All of Reality is inside consciousness. Even further, Reality is identical to consciousness, hence finally I understand that I am Reality, an Infinite Conscious Universal Mind; God.

Edited Friday at 08:37 PM by Davino

[yetineti]

If reality was beyond definition— that be would be what defines it, ironically..