What is femininity ?

[OBEler]

@Jirh I think you are the only one here who got it what I want to say, although in second try. Most people here are too biased or stupid to recognize that they just want to protect her to get some validation from a woman. They are therefore not interested what I want to say.

Yes its not feminine inclusive. Still I stay on my observations that Feminine energy is more than masculine energy into validating their feelings rather than really truth seeking. It alsomakes sense from an evolutionary, biological standpoint. Also there is evidence everywhere. If you are in technical jobs (80% men), truth seeking is a must otherwise you will get out of job. Most Women are not so into jobs where truth is required and manipulation is rarely possible. And again there are always women who are great in that too we talk about generalizations.

Edited Sunday at 12:47 PM by OBEler

[Jirh]

47 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Yes its not feminine inclusive. Still I stay on my observations that Feminine energy is more than masculine energy into validating their feelings rather than really truth seeking.

I don't quite agree. I think it's more accurately fearful/insecure energy that requires validation, regardless of gender. For example, an insecure masculine man would try to persuade others with his logically sound views, just to feel safe and validated. And a confident feminine woman would express how she is feeling without the need for anyone's validation.

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It also makes sense from an evolutionary, biological standpoint.

How?

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Also there is evidence everywhere. If you are in technical jobs (80% men), truth seeking is a must otherwise you will get out of job. Most Women are not so into jobs where truth is required and manipulation is rarely possible. And again there are always women who are great in that too we talk about generalizations.

Sure. Tech jobs require more logical linear ways of thinking/reasoning. However, truth and logic are not the same, and they are not mutually exclusive. A logic/reason is not always true, and sometimes it can be false, example: "I met two people from City X, and both were rude. Therefore, everyone from City X must be rude.". And needless to say that a feeling can be true sometimes.

[OBEler]

@Jirh because men looking for truth , women use that to their advantage to deceive men. They exploit that for their survival. They pretend to be truthful but they are not. Look how Natasha tried to convince me she was looking for truth even though she wrote before she just want to protect her feelings and everyone man here believed her without a doubt and defended her. Men project their natural looking for truth to other gender and think they are also looking for truth. Nope.

And there are special cases of course where men give up truth too. It's for mating for example. They become liars. You can see this in this thread too. I provided hard facts and men become trolls and switch to the woman side to get attention from her.

Again I love women. I just describe nature . To any woman, don't be attacked.

Edited 23 hours ago by OBEler

[Natasha Tori Maru]

But you do realize there are some women who value and are looking for truth.

[theleelajoker]

On 27.7.2025 at 1:44 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Being attracted within this space of time isn't an issue and I don't think is crazy. 

But for women, deciding to sleep with someone within that time is high risk behaviour. It's hard to understand from a male perspective, but women are so physically weak and vulnerable - especially during intimacy - it's top priority over almost everything else. 

Sometimes I wish men could flip bodies just to experience simple things like lifting a pot of boiling water and feeling the lack of strength in such a simple operative movement. 

Even getting into an uber is a risk. A calculated one. But a risk. So a women deciding to be so vulnerable in such a short timespan is a miscalculation of risk ie 'crazy' 

This is why the key to women is providing and making sure she is safe 🙂

 

Yesterday, I spent almost the whole day with girl. We also talked about the safety point you made above, and I think what she said is pretty much aligned for Natasha's point above. It's also what kind of experiences a woman had in her past, can make you more or less fearful, careful, courageous. So there's high variation among the women I got to know. And the older I get, the more I learn that being able to provide comfortable safety to women is key in dating and developing connection and intimacy. 

I can relate to the safety point myself,  because even as a man you will - sooner or later - be in a position where you have to be careful about your physical safety. For instance, if you work with big animals such horses, big dogs etc. Or if you go to dangerous, criminal areas in some countries. Not saying it's the same, but you still have to work with your instincts to stay safe. 

And the discussion about truth or feelings...well, I don't see big difference. I know women that also care a lot about truth. And the meditation retreats I went to very typically 50:50 m/f

[Natasha Tori Maru]

6 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Yesterday, I spent almost the whole day with girl. We also talked about the safety point you made above, and I think what she said is pretty much aligned for Natasha's point above. It's also what kind of experiences a woman had in her past, can make you more or less fearful, careful, courageous.

You are completely correct here - the degree to which a woman places priority on safety is linked to past situations. Other reasons also, but history is big usually.

Every woman is really different in that arena - with fears in different areas and depths.

If you can create that safe space for her, she will be free to really engage in positive feminine expression without fear. Usually very attractive for men, and it feels great as a woman to be able to play within the containment of the safety a masculine individual can provide

[theleelajoker]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You are completely correct here - the degree to which a woman places priority on safety is linked to past situations. Other reasons also, but history is big usually.

Every woman is really different in that arena - with fears in different areas and depths.

 

Men too. Same same,  just different fears.

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

If you can create that safe space for her, she will be free to really engage in positive feminine expression without fear. Usually very attractive for men, and it feels great as a woman to be able to play within the containment of the safety a masculine individual can provide  

Yes. It's great to watch the woman slowly opening up and expressing herself. Mega-attractive. A big bonus is that when I notice that the woman becomes very relaxed, and her tone changes, her voice becomes very soothing for me as well. Beautiful mirror effect. 

And while admitting that there is some pride and ego involved, I also simply enjoy feeling useful and being able to co-create such safe space.

Simply Win-Win in my POV  

Edited 18 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Xonas Pitfall]

@theleelajoker is awesome!  

[OBEler]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

But you do realize there are some women who value and are looking for truth.

Yes of course. I think you don't know what generalizations mean. It doesn't mean that EVERYONE is so. There are always exceptions.

[Schizophonia]

On 27/07/2025 at 2:36 PM, OBEler said:

 too biased or stupid

You've made several allusions like that, who are you referring to?
Me? Carl Richard?

If you're a man, you say it when you have a criticism to make of someone, you don't hide behind remarks that are actually quite haughty and that you probably wouldn't own up to face to face. I never say anything that I wouldn't actually do in reality.

Now, in the meantime, you still haven't provided any proof of what you're saying; the starting point is that most of girls and more particularly the attractive one are sweet, while you and Leo are saying the opposite.

Because here you are the one acting like a caricature of a woman "who is not interested in the truth but in her feelings", and who says that you are only simps (below the belt attack) if it turns out that what you say goes in the direction of women but not in mine."

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[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, OBEler said:

And there are special cases of course where men give up truth too. It's for mating for example. They become liars. You can see this in this thread too. I provided hard facts and men become trolls and switch to the woman side to get attention from her.

The entire premise of trying to paint somebody as emotional in order to make a point is too brute to be worth my serious attention.

[OBEler]

@Schizophonia this whole thread is my proof. The reaction of men and women. It shows things I said.although the hotter the girls the more crazy they are, I have no proof of for that.

Again I just share observations and statistics. If you want some statistics of ban rate from Actualized.org I need to count them because there is no official one. So on that point I just can share you my observations as a moderator of this forum. If you don't believe me then that's fine. Maybe some other moderators can give you another perspective.

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[Xonas Pitfall]

On 7/27/2025 at 2:36 PM, OBEler said:

Yes its not feminine inclusive. Still I stay on my observations that Feminine energy is more than masculine energy into validating their feelings rather than really truth seeking.

Well... I'm not sure history would agree with you here, to be honest, haha.

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People love hearing things that soothe them. That’s how cults persuade people, how political parties gain support. Who do you think brought Andrew Tate, Trump, and Hitler to prominence? Do you think it was women? Men also love hearing things that soothe them, and once you can whisper those things into their minds, they, too, can be easily controlled, manipulated, and will submit to whoever the authority figure whispering sweet words is.

I honestly can’t think of more destructive cults, ideologies, and reactions than those on the masculine side, especially when there's a leader who whispers exactly what people need to hear. What do you think the whole incel/4chan/redpill/pick-up movements, with school shooters and misogyny, are about? It's guys with repressed feelings and needs who get pulled into groupthink with their issues and soothing their emotions by forums telling them they’re justified in feeling what they do. Those are the huge number of guys who aren't seeking any real truth. Instead, they endlessly and mindlessly repeat debating points in their heads, justifying whatever emotions they want to feel; soothing themselves in their own delusions to feel good. If the masculine is so prone to truth more than the feminine, how do we explain this huge discrepancy?

People often say how women are always targets for cults and sexual exploitation, but are we forgetting that men are the ones building the infrastructure for those cults? Why are we ignoring all these men living in delusion, thinking they can exploit whoever they want? This is a perfect example of living in complete delusion, thinking you're untouchable and beyond morals. And you're telling your ego, along with other men, that you can do this because it makes your ego and emotions feeeeeeeeeeeeel good.

If these aren’t proof of guys being highly social, prone to groupthink, and emotionally driven (especially given that there is no feminine alternative to this kind of phenomenon, as far as I'm aware), I don’t know what is, haha. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The entire premise of trying to paint somebody as emotional in order to make a point is too brute to be worth my serious attention.

It's quite an insidious tactic - instead of head on addressing the argument, you attempt to paint emotion onto the opponent. Implying they are 'rationally compromised' because they are emotional. And therefore, wrong. 

It's a little ego game. A card users here try to play against one another I witness a lot. You know the person has no way to counter argue - so the next tactic is to discredit the source. 

@Xonas Pitfall

Well said, I never considered these factors - it links very well back to the recent fake spirituality video Leo released. 

[OBEler]

@Natasha Tori Maru well we talk about feminine energy and you are feminine so a great example.

I never said Emotions are wrong or make you inferior in your rational thinking etc. you don't want understand what I was pointing to.@Natasha Tori Maru

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

@OBEler I understand you - I'm not talking about anything you stated. I'm rapping on how the view of emotions can be twisted in strange ways.

I don't think I'm a good example, I don't fit these distinctions very well. I am an atypical female