New Video: What Is Fake Spirituality?

[TheEnigma]

20 minutes ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Let me put it in a different way: once you fully realize Truth, what is there left to do? 

Isn’t devotion the most intelligent thing to do?

If you realize Oneness, then loving and serving everybody would be the next logical step, right?

But Leo said empathy and compassion are optional. Truth is mandatory..

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Let me put it in a different way: once you fully realize Truth, what is there left to do? 

Isn’t devotion the most intelligent thing to do?

If you realize Oneness, then loving and serving everybody would be the next logical step, right?

But it's important not to put the cart before the horse.

Realize God first, then worry about what to do with it.

Don't assume you will even want devotion afterwards. Maybe you will want to live alone on an island.

Don't overlook that helping others is a clever distraction from Awakening. The world is full of fools eagerly trying to save the world but they haven't even saved themselves from their own illusions.

Edited 23 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But it's important not to put the cart before the horse.

Realize God first, then worry about what to do with it.

Don't assume you will even want devotion afterwards. Maybe you will want to live alone on an island.

Don't overlook that helping others is a clever distraction from Awakening. The world is full of fools eagerly trying to save the world but they haven't even saved themselves from their own illusions.

Intensity is more important than the technique. If you gravitate towards one technique more than the other, take advantage of that.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Intensity is more important than the technique. If you gravitate towards one technique more than the other, take advantage of that.

This is like telling a soldier, don't worry about aiming, just shoot more.

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

This is like telling a soldier, don't worry about aiming, just shoot more.

"More important", not that aiming is of zero importance. But if you can shoot so fast your ego cracks, that's a technique.

[Leo Gura]

@Carl-Richard I prefer 1 shot with good aim over 100 shots with poor aim.

[Xonas Pitfall]

11 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Does their need to be a feminine/masculine polarity attributed to the path? 

I just don't see the frame serving me personally.

Exactly!

The way I see it, you can use these polarities to spot your blind spots on both sides.

If you have too much masculine polarity, you might need more connection to the feminine to awaken. This could involve learning to "submit" to the experience, embracing raw truth without the mind trying to analyze it or over-intellectualize it. You might need to let go of the typical scientific materialistic arguments like, "This is too woo-woo, what's the use in this? How do I benefit from this? This is all too fluffy and irrational!" and be open to crying, expressing, screaming, or being a vulnerable curled up cry baby asking for Mommy during the trip to reach higher states. It’s about not being so ego-survival-focused, prioritizing connection instead of pragmatism. Being open to embracing more chaos, irrationality (insanity moments), and not being too grounded in reality during your experiences, without seeing it as you becoming too 'feminine and weak,' so your ego blocks you. Or being open to things like love, beauty, care, and selflessness as actual parts of truth, and not labeling them as too naive, utopian, feminine, irrelevant, or dismissing them. Didn’t Peter Ralston originally deny Love as an aspect of Truth at one point? Shows the blind spots that can happen, though maybe I’m wrong or he changed his mind.

If you have too much feminine polarity, it could lead to deluding yourself into thinking you're "feeeeeeling the frequencies of the universe, deities, chakras", or that crystals are making you more aware. It’s important not to get lost in the fluffy, airy-fairy community-comfort side of things and instead be open to the "uglier" or more "hardcore" aspects of the experience, finding the logical structure of God and deconstructing it without trying to make the truth too beautiful or idealized. And obviously, all the other aspects Leo mentioned in his previous posts.

That's how I see it. The path is androgynous and completely neutral, and the feminine and masculine polarities help provide lenses through which you can see what you might be missing and what's blocking you. I agree that saying the path is exclusively 'masculine' or 'more masculine-leaning' is unproductive and useless.

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

But it's important not to put the cart before the horse.

Realize God first, then worry about what to do with it.

Don't assume you will even want devotion afterwards. Maybe you will want to live alone on an island.

Don't overlook that helping others is a clever distraction from Awakening. The world is full of fools eagerly trying to save the world but they haven't even saved themselves from their own illusions.

When awakening is mandatory for genuine happiness, for a successful life, what would you say is the best order? (Of course its always individual and messy but the general trend)

survival -> awakening -> authentic LP (not coming from distraction) ?

Edited 22 hours ago by Jannes

[Xonas Pitfall]

58 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't assume you will even want devotion afterwards. Maybe you will want to live alone on an island.

Do you think someone can be enlightened yet still have a toxic LP afterward? I doubt it, but it’d be curious to hear what others think. Maybe you just want to experience "evil" for the fun of it and for a deeper understanding of it. Or perhaps there’s still some leftover ego and unrealized karma (desires) that wiggle their way back, kind of like those spiritual sexual trafficking cults. Or perhaps you realize ego will always be there, so you might as well satisfy it and make yourself as happy as you can. Shrug, shrug...

[Jannes]

2 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Do you think someone can be enlightened yet still have a toxic LP afterward? I doubt it, but it’d be curious to hear what others think. Maybe you just want to experience "evil" for the fun of it and for a deeper understanding of it. Or perhaps there’s still some leftover ego and unrealized karma (desires) that wiggle their way back, kind of like those spiritual sexual trafficking cults. Or perhaps you realize ego will always be there, so you might as well satisfy it and make yourself as happy as you can. Shrug, shrug...

Yeah, you dont know what you dont know.

Even though much will be recontextualized, some things will stay more or less, at least your physical body and likely some character traits, but the more mental it becomes the more potential for change there is..

[Xonas Pitfall]

5 minutes ago, Jannes said:

When awakening is mandatory for genuine happiness, for a successful life, what would you say is the best order? (Of course its always individual and messy but the general trend)

survival -> realizing god -> authentic LP (not coming from distraction) 

Hmm...

It’s really circumstantial. The issue with survival is that it impacts your inquiry. You can still realize God, but it’s less likely because desires and unresolved karma will creep back in. For example, you might have a peak enlightenment experience, but desires such as intimacy, love, or sex could still linger. Until those are satiated to a decent extent, you likely won’t be able to truly embody higher states (ignoring genetic freaks). Similarly, if you’re living paycheck to paycheck and stressed out, your mind is likely to dismiss deeper realizations as less important, leaving you less contemplative.

I’d suggest saving up some money for psychedelics or retreats, and finding spare time to listen to Leo’s videos and engage in mind deconstruction. These experiences will broaden your horizons, give clarity to your desires, and help increase your capacity to handle survival, as well as boost your creativity. But at some point, you’ll probably face blockages that require more experience and karma to burn through. That’s when it’s time to focus on those issues so you have fewer regrets. Once you do, you can focus more on spirituality, rinse and repeat, until your survival starts aligning with your LP. Ideally, your LP and your spiritual growth will start fueling each other.

Even if you eventually decide you just want to sit in a cave, avoid talking to anyone, and not help others, you’ll still need to figure out how to maintain that lifestyle. Your LP could then shift to how you use your skills to support that lifestyle. And if you decide you want to help others, great, you’ve already started, and you’ll be even more certain about it!  

[Jannes]

@Xonas Pitfall But spirituality can deconstruct what you have built up with survival and LP, yet these things are important to have handled to be stable and grounded enough to do spirituality. 

So either you do ignorant survival with a toxic LP building something up which you then completly destroy afterwards with spirituality. 

Or you try to get both things done at the same time, but then it will take lots of time to make progress in each direction. 

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

This is like telling a soldier, don't worry about aiming, just shoot more.

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Carl-Richard I prefer 1 shot with good aim over 100 shots with poor aim.

@Leo Gura Owen Cook literally says that "ready, fire, aim" is a superior paradigm to the classic "ready, aim, fire"

he has a point when it comes to something like approaching girls or building an online business for the first time.

are you simply talking about different matters to a different audience? or is Owen deluded?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Jannes said:

When awakening is mandatory for genuine happiness, for a successful life, what would you say is the best order? (Of course its always individual and messy but the general trend)

survival -> awakening -> authentic LP (not coming from distraction) ?

I didn't say it was mandatory for success. Clearly success can be achieved through bullshit and egotism.

Realistically Awakening should come after survival and LP, since it requires such maturity.

11 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

@Leo Gura Owen Cook literally says that "ready, fire, aim" is a superior paradigm to the classic "ready, aim, fire"

he has a point when it comes to something like approaching girls or building an online business for the first time.

are you simply talking about different matters to a different audience? or is Owen deluded?

I am talking about Awakening, not scamming people. Owen's business is running scams, in which case shooting from the hip is acceptable.

[Jehovah increases]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I didn't say it was mandatory for success. Clearly success can be achieved through bullshit and egotism.

Realistically Awakening should come after survival and LP, since it requires such maturity.

I am talking about Awakening, not scamming people. Owen's business is running scams, in which case shooting from the hip is acceptable.

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[RendHeaven]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am talking about Awakening, not scamming people. Owen's business is running scams, in which case shooting from the hip is acceptable.

Damn 😭

[Xonas Pitfall]

@Jannes

I think this is more of a practical issue. Obviously, you're going to need to do everything since well... you want to do everything, haha. There's no way around it, you won’t have enough information before trying. So, first, focus on getting your survival situation in order: secure your basic human needs and make sure your income is stable, so you're not stressed. Once that’s in place, you can figure out how much free time you can allocate for spiritual pursuits and psychedelics.

Plan it out in advance: what kind of psychedelics? How many grams? LSD, mushrooms, 5-MeO-DMT, DMT, etc. If you prefer a retreat, I don’t have much info on that, but you can look it up. From there, start feeling it out and see how your body and mind respond. You’re going in without knowing exactly what will happen; you might get insights immediately, or you might find that your ego is much more stubborn than you expected. Based on your experiences, you’ll start to see what comes up, whether you need to work on things like dating, making more money, or traveling. Or maybe you’ll be able to let those desires go.

For something like life purpose (LP) specifically, you won’t suddenly realize it during a trip if you’ve never had any external experience or input in that area. If you’ve never heard of a particular line of work, it won’t just appear to you during a psychedelic experience. Research and experience are key if you want to find your LP. 

If you don’t have any lingering desires, you can just continue with your spiritual pursuits. Over time, you’ll likely experience God realization. After that, you'll either be very clear on your life purpose (LP) and happy with it, or you might find that you no longer care much about it. In that case, your focus on survival and basic needs will help maintain whatever lifestyle you’ve found in the process.

Basically, you don't have all the info yet, so there's not much you can do. Psychedelics (God-realization) won’t suddenly give you an insight into your life purpose (LP) without any prior input. To recontextualize something, you need to have something to recontextualize in the first place.

For example, if someone was born to be a hockey player but never heard of it, a trip won’t make them think, “Oh, I should play hockey! What's that?” What’s more likely is that the desire was already there, maybe from childhood or while watching sports, or even while training in a different sport. They likely have a strong subconscious memory of it. Then, during the trip, it suddenly clicks for them.

Also, be careful of psychedelic delusions. You might suddenly think, “I want to be a billionaire to save the world! I wanna start a healthy whole foods business!” But if you have zero experience with what that actually entails, it can mess with you. Psychedelics can help with LP discovery, but they work best when you’ve already had experience or exposure to potential LPs. Without that, it can easily become delusional. A better approach might be to start working on an LP you think you'd like, and then use psychedelics to help you gain emotional attunement and clarity. Let them help you assess and keep you in check whether what you’re doing is truly enjoyable and aligned with who you are.

It’s really important to avoid black-and-white thinking, like believing there's only one true LP for you or that you must follow the most optimal path. In reality, the best you can do is minmax: gather as much experience and information as quickly as possible so you can make better decisions. It’s all about flexibility and adaptation. Survival is crucial and cannot be ignored even at the highest levels.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Mel Robbins.