Do Things Happen For a Reason or Not?

[SQAAD]

The dude in the video says that this existence, this Maya is all "nonsense", that nothing makes sense and that there was no reason behind the holocauast.

"There is no reason, it's just God". I don't understand what he means.

If God is an intelligent Creator then by necessity, everything would have a reason behind it. Imagine seeing a car and saying that there is no reason that it has 4 wheels instead of 2..

Any insights about this particular topic?

Suffering without a reason seems even more cruel and dehumanizing that it already is..

 

Edited July 14 by SQAAD

[Sugarcoat]

It’s even worse, not only is suffering god, it’s “love” too

[SQAAD]

@Sugarcoat

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s even worse, not only is suffering god, it’s “love” too

What is this supposed to mean?

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, SQAAD said:

@Sugarcoat

What is this supposed to mean?

Once during sleep paralysis vibrational stage a voice told me suffering is love

 

Its like when non dualists say everything is unconditional love

[Ishanga]

Things happen more so I think out of consequence than reason, the holocaust happened due to a set of consequences, it was horrible as are the wars of today, but there is no reason... 

God means Absolute which filters down to Us as a Grand sort of Intelligence that allows most all Possibility to exist, this intelligence is a Potential making machine and allows it too be expressed, so if a concept of Love exist its opposite Hate exists too, for US humans it means we must get to a point of Consciousness that we can exert Free Will in our lives and choose how to Be within Ourselves, most I am sure would choose Love or Bliss to be their inner state always and via that if enough ppl do this no wars will be possible...

[Someone here]

It seems like they happen for a reason.. will grant ya that . But actually they don't happen for any reason other than God's will if you understand. 

Just like when you dream of a bird shitting on your suit ..it seems like the shit has fallen down because of gravity ..but once you wake up you understand gravity was imaginary and the shit falls down because of your will as the dream's author. 

Something like that applies to "real life ".

[Hojo]

It does but you make up the reason. You making up the reason is pointing to you and why you are seeing it. If you saw God you will see that everything including the excruciating heartbreaking times happened for a reason and a very good reason in both senses of the meaning.

For instance i see the void i become the void when it happened i didn't like it at all then later I found out I needed that peice of information to awaken. And I needed to get heartbroken to reach a low enough state to see it.

In reality nothing is happening but you are narrating it in a specific way and God put you there to see it in a specific way.

Edited July 14 by Hojo

[Someone here]

@Hojo I don't think he's asking whether things happen for a "purpose " or not . But about causality. Although I'm not sure .

[Atb210201]

Yes if you want.

No if you don't.

[Inliytened1]

6 hours ago, SQAAD said:

The dude in the video says that this existence, this Maya is all "nonsense", that nothing makes sense and that there was no reason behind the holocauast.

"There is no reason, it's just God". I don't understand what he means.

If God is an intelligent Creator then by necessity, everything would have a reason behind it. Imagine seeing a car and saying that there is no reason that it has 4 wheels instead of 2..

Any insights about this particular topic?

Suffering without a reason seems even more cruel and dehumanizing that it already is..

 

Why does everything have to make sense.  To me that would make God limited.  It's the spontaneity that makes everything so awesome.  If you took that away you would have a very robotic systematic existence. 

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Why does everything have to make sense.  To me that would make God limited.  It's the spontaneity that makes everything so awesome.  If you took that away you would have a very robotic systematic existence. 

God has nothing to do with what is happening on Earth, it is the Life here that is responsible for that, even the animals have a limited sense of Free Will, but compared to our access to Free Will they are dominated to their primal instinct which is survival based, we are not as limited even though most never access their Free Will very much..

When we put the direction of our lives and the Responsibility for it, including what is happening Socially and Culturally, to the Divine or God or whatever You want to call it, then we are neglecting the basic right of every Human Being and that is they can control the quality of their lives and the main direction of it, of course anyone can die via an accident at anytime, there lies the randomness of life which again has nothing to do with God or Absolute, it is just the way it is when there is an element of Chaos in the world too...All Potentials are realized here, where Sameness lives, Chaos can live as well, its what makes life spicy:)

[Inliytened1]

20 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

God has nothing to do with what is happening on Earth, .

God has everything to do with it.

[Ishanga]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

God has everything to do with it.

I would say God/Absolute or Source Intelligence sets up the playing field, for the purpose of knowing itself, for that too happen all possibilities have to be able to be explored, for that to be in place "Reasons" for things happening on the Grand Scale can't be in place, nor does determinism apply, everything is possible within the next moment, the only time determinism is in place is after the fact, we has humans make the choices as to how to play the game and navigate it either  joyfully or via stress and suffering as most are doing it, we don't control everything but only our response to it if your conscious enough to gain that ability.. God is just the facilitator of the arena, we play the game and live the consequences...

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I would say God/Absolute or Source Intelligence sets up the playing field, for the purpose of knowing itself, for that too happen all possibilities have to be able to be explored, for that to be in place "Reasons" for things happening on the Grand Scale can't be in place, nor does determinism apply, everything is possible within the next moment, the only time determinism is in place is after the fact, we has humans make the choices as to how to play the game and navigate it either  joyfully or via stress and suffering as most are doing it, we don't control everything but only our response to it if your conscious enough to gain that ability.. God is just the facilitator of the arena, we play the game and live the consequences...

You finally said something that makes sense. Excellent.

It really was.

[SQAAD]

@Ishanga

17 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Things happen more so I think out of consequence than reason, the holocaust happened due to a set of consequences, it was horrible as are the wars of today, but there is no reason... 

God means Absolute which filters down to Us as a Grand sort of Intelligence that allows most all Possibility to exist, this intelligence is a Potential making machine and allows it too be expressed, so if a concept of Love exist its opposite Hate exists too, for US humans it means we must get to a point of Consciousness that we can exert Free Will in our lives and choose how to Be within Ourselves, most I am sure would choose Love or Bliss to be their inner state always and via that if enough ppl do this no wars will be possible...

Consequences are a reason too.

God is or he is not. Everything is planned down to the last detail or not.

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:56 AM by SQAAD

[SQAAD]

@Someone here

16 hours ago, Someone here said:

It seems like they happen for a reason.. will grant ya that . But actually they don't happen for any reason other than God's will if you understand. 

Just like when you dream of a bird shitting on your suit ..it seems like the shit has fallen down because of gravity ..but once you wake up you understand gravity was imaginary and the shit falls down because of your will as the dream's author. 

Something like that applies to "real life ".

Nice explanation.

[gettoefl]

You can end every war this very moment. Don't add fuel to its fire. Even DT couldn't do this on his first day in office. But he's getting better. Maybe he is timing the end of war with Nobel Peace Prize. Who cares if a few more million die. Meantime I will end all war when I choose to too. You can be such a chooser too.

Edited Tuesday at 11:07 AM by gettoefl

[gettoefl]

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Peace is impossible to those who look on war. Peace is inevitable to those who bring peace. How easily, then, is your judgment about this world escaped! It is not the world that makes peace seem impossible. It is the world you see before your eyes that is impossible! Yet know that God's Judgment on this distorted world has redeemed it and made it fit to welcome peace. And peace descends on it in joyous answer. Peace now belongs here, because the Thought of God for the first time entered. What else but a Thought of God turns hell to Heaven merely by being what it is? The earth bows down before its gracious Presence, and it leans down in answer, to raise it up again. Now is the question flipped. It is no longer, "Can peace be possible in this world?" but instead, "Is it not impossible that peace be absent here?"

 

[Breakingthewall]

38 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

 

That text is from Acim Right? In my opinion, that book is deeply dualistic. It presents a corrupt world that must be redeemed in the eyes of God. Let's see, is this world then independent of God, or even contrary to His will?

If you stop to contemplate it, both Christianity and Buddhism have the premise that human reality is flawed, that God is good, and humans are evil. Let's see, life is built on the basis of murder, right? From the first pruricellular organisms, war is served. There's only one rule: survive or die.

All living beings invent weapons, fangs, poison, traps to kill. From there, humanity emerges. And should it be... good? How good? Only kill animals? Or plants?

[gettoefl]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That text is from Acim Right? In my opinion, that book is deeply dualistic. It presents a corrupt world that must be redeemed in the eyes of God. Let's see, is this world then independent of God, or even contrary to His will?

If you stop to contemplate it, both Christianity and Buddhism have the premise that human reality is flawed, that God is good, and humans are evil. Let's see, life is built on the basis of murder, right? From the first pruricellular organisms, war is served. There's only one rule: survive or die.

All living beings invent weapons, fangs, poison, traps to kill. From there, humanity emerges. And should it be... good? How good? Only kill animals? Or plants?

Yes you're right. Indeed you have the choice of murder or miracles. What's your choice? Here is rubbish compared to what else is available that you senses were designed to hide from you. But there is a way as that passage describes. There is another way.