What Is Russia's Endgame?

[Twentyfirst]

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I don’t look at the west as one block.

 

The west is definitely all one block. Thats why all the western countries were originally European before they left, murdered the natives, and stole the land. Westerners favor western countries at the expense of non western countries. They have a microscope against anything Putin does but completely obvious to their own pedo peddling ways

Putin is fine. Let him bomb you guys 

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

The west is definitely all one block. Thats why all the western countries were originally European before they left, murdered the natives, and stole the land. Westerners favor western countries at the expense of non western countries. They have a microscope against anything Putin does but completely obvious to their own pedo peddling ways

Putin is fine. Let him bomb you guys 

Then why is Spain and Ireland and Norway etc. are going against the US abd Israel on Gaza? Why were many western countries against the Iraq invasion? Why is Francesca Albanese accusing Israel etc.

anywho i’m not even interested in your answer it’s silly. Toodeloo

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

 their own pedo peddling ways

Also i don’t want to be disrespectful. It’s love.

But wasn’t your main guy forgot his name Medicaid or Mohamaid? 
Wasn’t he a pedo? 
 

release the files boiii

Edited July 17 by PurpleTree

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Also i don’t want to be disrespectful. It’s love.

But wasn’t your main guy forgot his name Medicaid or Mohamaid? 
Wasn’t he a pedo? 
 

release the files boiii

No he wasn't a pedo. What he did was halal 

The US had like 300k child marriages in 20 years

It's hard to explain this stuff to a Westerner because you guys have sex out of marriage. Which means you have to have an age of consent. Your entire paradigm is already coming from a faulty place

I already know what you are thinking...go to the Middle East now and tell a father you want to marry his underage daughter and see what he does to you

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Then why is Spain and Ireland and Norway etc. are going against the US abd Israel on Gaza?

Because they are getting ready to scapegoat the Jews, not US, for all the Western problems that is inherent in the West

Ireland is special. They have always been against this. They got colonized so they feel for Palestinians 

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Why were many western countries against the Iraq invasion?

Idk. There are more serious things that the West agrees on than they disagree on

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Why is Francesca Albanese accusing Israel etc.

One person out of 1 billion

Not all Westerners are thoughtless brainwashed animals who project their deep seated problems onto Kim Jong Un. Some of them actually have hearts. I am friends with the good hearted ones and love them but even their programming runs deep. It's easy for them to wake up to their govts lies but still no much work they have to do to become cultured and well behaved like an Easterner. Btw how many anti depressants are you and your neighbors on? Just can't get through the day can ya. Gee wonder why that is. I bet Putin doesn't need anti depressants 

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

anywho i’m not even interested in your answer it’s silly. Toodeloo

Why would you be interested in truth. Putin is bad and he's coming for you, it doesn't matter what ya'll did to piss him off. He "started it". Just like how Hamas started this conflict or some guy in a cave blew up the towers because he was jealous of Americas monopoly on freedom. Let Putin develop you with bombs

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

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You’re just mad that you got kicked out of the west no? 

It’s like a guy trying to hit on a girl, she says no interest and the guy is like 

you are ugly anyway i never wanted you.

[PurpleTree]

I mean it’s fine you love Putin you don’t care when he bombs muslims like in Chechnya. Grozny was looking like Gaza back then.

But he’s a great guy and he will defeat the West and that’s why you adore him. It’s cool. He’s your great hope so to speak. Like Trump was for Maga.

Putin is haram and you know it.

 

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[PurpleTree]

 

Edited July 18 by PurpleTree

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

You’re just mad that you got kicked out of the west no? 

It’s like a guy trying to hit on a girl, she says no interest and the guy is like 

you are ugly anyway i never wanted you.

I didn't get kicked out of the west. I am well connected there and have always been ahead. It's like how Indians make double the money of the natives. The citizens aren't even aware of all the changes taking place in this new era so I am somewhat ahead of whats coming as well

Western girls love me because I stand on my square and they aren't used to that but even when they don't I was never one to fall for sour grapes

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

I mean it’s fine you love Putin you don’t care when he bombs muslims like in Chechnya. Grozny was looking like Gaza back then.

But he’s a great guy and he will defeat the West and that’s why you adore him. It’s cool. He’s your great hope so to speak. Like Trump was for Maga.

Putin is haram and you know it.

 

I bet you one thing. Putin and Russians understand the west 10x more than the westerners and their leaders understand Russia. You guys have a cartoonish description of him  

His game is probably just distracting and sidelining the west which gives him a chance to build out whatever projects he wants to do without western interference like payment processors. Pretty soon he will be the pimp messaging euro male only fans buyers and pretending that he is the girl they subscribed to 🤣

 

44 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

 

It said that the president at the time was some Boris fellow. Anyway this is just a war. Most countries have wars but I notice Russia and China are always doing regional neighborhood wars. There is something about crossing the ocean just to go to war that seems off, among other things like endless wars 

[Ajay0]

On 7/12/2025 at 4:59 PM, Mandrake said:

The “West” is not a single country or entity that wants to dominate the world.

By the west I mean the US and Nato european nations. 

You can see their exploitative colonial history and interference in asian, african and south american countries, in the past and present as well.

When it did not suit western companies, democratic governments with people friendly policies were brought down in south america and replaced by brutal military dictatorships with western corporate backing and military assistance.

Corporate bottomlines leading to heavy profits due to exploitative policies was the priorities here, not democracy or human rights. 

So western governments talking about freedom and democracy obviously sounds hollow and hypocritical.

This is the reason why China and the global south is supporting Russia, as they perceive the US-Nato itself to be a future threat to them.

 

[BlueOak]

9 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

The west is definitely all one block.

Its more so now because of people like yourself and your governments lumping them all together.

Pre war we were largely splintered. But the more the perception is shifted to the opposite, the more it is the case. 

This is one of those cases, where someone from a largely unified collectivist country doesn't understand the way the west operates and certainly operated in the past. Internally, there are many differences of opinion, its why the EU as one example is so difficult to manage and organise, although its been improving over the decades.

Edited July 18 by BlueOak

[Apparition of Jack]

Their endgame? Collect all the infinity stones to snap NATO out of existence, I imagine. 

[Twentyfirst]

12 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Its more so now because of people like yourself and your governments lumping them all together.

Pre war we were largely splintered. But the more the perception is shifted to the opposite, the more it is the case. 

This is one of those cases, where someone from a largely unified collectivist country doesn't understand the way the west operates and certainly operated in the past. Internally, there are many differences of opinion, its why the EU as one example is so difficult to manage and organise, although its been improving over the decades.

I guess you are right. We both know the future of the west is the same as the past. Where you all fight each other for no reason at all. Why do they call it world war 1 and 2 if it was mostly just europeans fighting each other. And all the internal wars before that? So there is no block called the west 

The European allies was likely just a way for everyone to make money together. Which is a materialistic way to align with others 

But if you have so many problems at home why worry about Putin? Why not fix the problems and then that way you actually have something worth defending from Putin but if you do defend against Putin you still will have all these endless issues back home

[Twentyfirst]

@PurpleTree

 

[Mandrake]

On 7/18/2025 at 8:47 AM, Ajay0 said:

By the west I mean the US and Nato european nations. 

You can see their exploitative colonial history and interference in asian, african and south american countries, in the past and present as well.

When it did not suit western companies, democratic governments with people friendly policies were brought down in south america and replaced by brutal military dictatorships with western corporate backing and military assistance.

Corporate bottomlines leading to heavy profits due to exploitative policies was the priorities here, not democracy or human rights. 

So western governments talking about freedom and democracy obviously sounds hollow and hypocritical.

This is the reason why China and the global south is supporting Russia, as they perceive the US-Nato itself to be a future threat to them.

 

I used to see the West as one big hypocritical block too—colonial history, corporate greed, military interventions—it all fits a certain narrative. But over time I started realizing how overly simplified that view is, and how it’s actually being used now by populists to justify some really dangerous politics. In fact, we had to overcome vast differences between our "western" countries, and it's still and extremely difficult juggling act to stay united.

Take Jaishankar, for example. He presents himself like this calm, intellectual statesman, but what he’s really doing is selling a revisionist story—that India is finally rising after centuries of humiliation, and that the West deserves to be put in its place. It’s not diplomacy—it’s a grudge masquerading as grand strategy. There’s a subtle revenge fantasy behind it, like we’re supposed to carry the pain of British rule forever and weaponize it into superiority.

 That kind of rhetoric, where you divide the world into “us” (morally superior victims) vs. “them” (forever colonial oppressors), is exactly the playbook putin uses  to justify invading Ukraine and the future invasions he's planning. It’s propaganda designed to distract from internal problems and dismantle democracy. And it’s spreading. Trump did the same—blaming foreigners and allies alike while hollowing out democratic institutions.

You even see this mentality in everyday behavior. Scammers often go after foreigners because they were raised to believe that "the West robbed us", and that Westerners are all rich and deserve to be cheated. It's a toxic mix of victimhood and entitlement—and it's not justice, it's just learned resentment. I personally felt this discrimination in Mysore and Jaipur while I was doing my own cultural research on a VERY tight budget. The tickets to the palaces were 5-10x higher for foreigners. Today, in "the greedy West", double pricing is very rare.
 

[Daniel Balan]

@MandrakeGreat comment. Thank you. I loved reading it!

[Basman]

On 12/07/2025 at 6:42 PM, Basman said:

Russia isn't above it, for sure. Crimea after all. And they have a mythical belief in their cause similar to Al Qaeda. Russia doesn't have borders.

This is actually not entirely correct. The Ukraine War is about regime security primarily.

[Scholar]

On 11/07/2025 at 2:53 AM, Daniel Balan said:

What are they trying to accomplish? I mean, it is clear that they want to wipe Ukraine off the map, but if they supposedly defeat Ukraine, what is Russia's endgame? Do they settle just for Ukraine? I don't think so! My personal opinion is that if they could, they would conquer Moldova, then they will challenge Nato by trying a blitzkrieg on Romania! They will try to anchor their border with the west on the Charpatian mountain range in Romania and Slovakia, while at the same time trying to conquer the Baltics! Betting that Nato wouldn't risk ww3 over half of Romania and the baltics! I contemplated on the conflict in the last year and this is my hypothesis on what Russia's endgame plan. Basically they want their soviet era vassal states back! They would leave Poland alone, because Poland, in my opinion is as battle ready as Ukraine is right now, too tough to defeat and probably isn't worth the hassle. But via heavy propaganda interference in elections, they would take control over much of the former Warsaw pact, and in the countries they didn't succeed to place a trojan horse government, they would certainly attack militarily! Bluffing that Nato is not as united as Nato claims. Also Trump would probably give Putin all of Eastern Europe if that means that all the wars in Europe end.

So guys, what do you think?

The Endgame is regime security. Whatever serves that goal will determine the actions of the regime.

[Inliytened1]

On 7/11/2025 at 0:44 AM, Leo Gura said:

What they want is to keep Western influence out of their region.

It is more than this obviously.   They didn't want to annex Ukraine for this reason.  Putin is power hungry just not as crazy as Hitler was.

[Inliytened1]

On 7/17/2025 at 8:46 PM, Twentyfirst said:

 

I bet you one thing. Putin and Russians understand the west 10x more than the westerners and their leaders understand Russia. You guys have a cartoonish description of him  

His game is probably just distracting and sidelining the west which gives him a chance to build out whatever projects he wants to do without western interference like payment processors.

Don't be a fool.

Edited yesterday at 11:54 AM by Inliytened1

[Ajay0]

20 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It is more than this obviously.   They didn't want to annex Ukraine for this reason.  Putin is power hungry just not as crazy as Hitler was.

Why did Putin wait then till Nato came to its very borders ignoring the promises made to Gorbachev and Yeltsin. He could have invaded Ukraine much before that if he was power hungry.

I am not aware of any country on earth that would be comfortable with a hostile  military alliance  on its borders.

The americans almost went to war with the russians after the russians placed wmd in cuba in the sixties, and forced the russians to negotiation and remove the weapons from cuba.